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AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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Letting mega-billionaires spend mega-millions to buy the conversation around elections isn't my definition of freedom.

> Letting mega-billionaires spend mega-millions to buy the conversation around elections isn't my definition of freedom. Spell out the details: Exactly who will not be permitted to speak under your definition of "freedom"? If you say that only people with a billion dollars can be punished for speaking: Do you think the limit won't be lowered over time? If the issue is that no person should be able to spend more than…

Overturn Citizens United.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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America wasn't a democracy before the 2010 Citizens United ruling allowed corporations and wealthy donors to spend unlimited money on elections? That's news to me. I don't feel more free at all on account of that ruling. Maybe if you said "freedom" one or two more times, that would do the trick.

"The political action committee emerged from the labor movement of 1943. The first PAC was the CIO-PAC, formed in July 1943 under CIO president Philip Murray and headed by Sidney Hillman. It was established after the U.S. Congress prohibited unions from giving direct contributions to political candidates." The above from Wikipedia. But I'm wasting my time talking to you, you are just raging and putting words into oth…

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs...

No, these do not make me feel free.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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> How should politicians be informed on these topics for which they are attempting to regulate? Provide them a bigger budget to hire their own staffers, who can do research? Produce more non-partisan, publicly-funded research, data, and surveys? Make them study themselves? How do judges get informed on topics they attempt to pass judgement on?

> Make them study themselves? How do judges get informed on topics they attempt to pass judgement on? They get expert witnesses. They certainly don't "do their own research"

That isn't entirely accurate. They at least need enough domain knowledge to tell if an expert witnesses is bullshitting them. Or to understand the jargon being used.

Exhibit A: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-googl...

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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Many of the groups that spend the most on lobbying are composed of "normal" people who have banded together for some common interest. For example: - The AARP ($21M annual spend) has 38M members - The National Association of Realtors ($54M annual spend) has 1.5M members - The American Medical Association ($24M annual spend) has 300K members Of course that doesn't mean that their interests necessarily align with your i…

It really irks me for some reason that American Medical Association (one of the top spenders in lobbying) is doing the lobbying. I did a quick Gemini/Google search and these are the topics they lobby for. ``` Core Legislative PrioritiesMedicare Reform: Fighting to fix stagnant physician payment formulas and account for inflation. Prior Authorization: Pushing to reduce administrative roadblocks and delays enforced by…

One of the ways that the AMA gatekeeps is to limit the number of medical school seats and residency slots in the US (residency is run by Medicare).

Quality of life (at work) for many physicians is arguably pretty bad due to long hours, administrative requirements, and insurance requirements / prior auth. Physicians should lobby to get some of these things fixed by regulation, because it's likely the only way they will get fixed! However, a physicians lobby of any kind is going to have a tough time reducing healthcare costs because they have a significant financial incentive to gatekeep and their members can pay high dues to spend a lot on lobbying.

I wonder if the AI meant PAs instead of pharmacists -- as I understand it, a pharmacist's scope of practice is quite distinct from a physician.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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That's literally what 90% of lobbying is. Powerpoint presentations to Congressional staffers, econometrics research publications, policy panels and conferences, and so on. Not everything is campaign donations and super PACs.

you can be good law obeying citizen 99% of the time and in 1% of the time bribe someone to do illegal things. what's your point with 90%? Why any lobbyists should have 1:1 time with a politician, what are they hiding?

Why any lobbyists should have 1:1 time with a politician, what are they hiding?

For one thing because it’s a right in the First Amendment, there next to freedom of religion and speech.

If you have a grievance, you have a right to petition to have it redressed. Like other rights recognized in the Constitution, courts have interpreted it broadly, to include such things as a right for a private citizen to meet 1:1 with a willing public citizen.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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> They are interested in learning about topics from credible people Honestly, you surprised me with this statement alone. interested in learning? do you think Trump wants to learn anything from AIPAC? or Pharma lobby or Military Industrial complex? What do politicans want to learn from Military Industrial complex or AIPAC lobby for example? What's there, that politicians don't know already?

> > They are interested in learning about topics from credible people > Honestly, you surprised me with this statement alone. interested in learning? > do you think Trump wants to learn anything from AIPAC? > or Pharma lobby or Military Industrial complex? Trump is unusually sure of himself. But no man rules alone: There is a massive org under every president trying to run a government. I know for a fact that people…

Thanks for the detailed comment. And I would describe lobbying as making sure when the opportunity arises your solution has a voice in that discussion.

Yes it sucks. But this is a human problem. Not a US gov problem.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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For technical minded US folks who read about this and are outraged and/or interested in how they can do more politically, I highly recommend checking out fellowship programs like TechCongress and Horizon which place technical experts in Congress for a year (disclosure, I'm an alum) and have become critical sources of expertise in a world dominated by nontechnical folks. TechCongress applications for next year closed,…

I'm reading this thinking "hell yes, I should look into this!"

I'm not American. Lol

I should see if there are similar things for Canada

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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That's literally what 90% of lobbying is. Powerpoint presentations to Congressional staffers, econometrics research publications, policy panels and conferences, and so on. Not everything is campaign donations and super PACs.

you can be good law obeying citizen 99% of the time and in 1% of the time bribe someone to do illegal things. what's your point with 90%? Why any lobbyists should have 1:1 time with a politician, what are they hiding?

I should think the point was obvious. It's not a percentage of behavior of a single participant, it's in aggregate. The point is 90% of lobbyists are not doing anything untoward.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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Lots of pitchforks in these comments. If you had read that the EFF was meeting with lawmakers in the US to convince them that there was no secure way to allow the government to break e2e encryption, or had read that academics were banding together to ask the government not to make open weight LLMs illegal, what would your reaction be? What if told you that those organizations had actually paid a consultant to help th…

> Paying a professional to talk to lawmakers about something that is in your best interest And I believe that if it were that above-board then many fewer people would complain. But it's not. Because the professional will host a fancy dinner that you're invited to. Or they'll make an entirely legal contribution to your re-election fund. And even if you think all of the above is totally fine, you have to consider whose…

Yes, these are good points!

My quick summary is that I don’t think only wealthy people/companies should have their voices heard. I just don’t think that attempting to squash lobbying or even “money in politics” is the means to achieve it.

I’ve called my congressman/senator a few times to speak for/against something, and it’s made me wish it was easier for citizenry to meaningfully band together. Im glad I had someone to call, but it was certainly not the access that a fancy political dinner would have afforded me.

I despise and fear corruption, and agree that there an overlap between lobbying and bribery/kickbacks. And I don’t think buying the sitting president’s meme-coin should purchase access. But of course we have (had) laws against such blatantly poisonous arrangements. And many legal arrangements are not much better.

So I don’t mean to say that all “lobbying” is good in all forms, but the term has become so conflated with other illegal or borderline activities, that it’s actually lost meaning, and is actively harming our ability to meaningfully discuss it. It wouldn’t surprise me if this conflation benefits the very criminals that we wish to shut down.

When someone uses ambiguous terms like “money in politics” or “lobbying” to mean everything from running a newspaper ad to slipping someone an envelope full of cash, we will see calls for blunt instrument fixes. Those fixes usually benefit incumbents and existing power structures, and often happen to make it illegal to amplify one’s speech. There are plenty of countries that have very little legal money in their political system, but they also don’t have elections that can be swayed in the first place.

We would see less money in politics if the government was weaker and could not sway an individual’s or company’s fortunes by millions of dollars at the stroke of a pen, or declare that encrypted communications are illegal, or decide that certain ethnic groups are no longer welcome. But since they can, many companies or individuals or civil liberties groups will do the math and purchase whatever insurance they can to increase the chance their side is heard, whether we agree with that side or not.

I wish I had better proposals to fix the things we agree are bad, because we probably agree on a lot of it. I am mainly trying to call out that saying someone or some group is “lobbying” is NOT the same thing as accusing someone of being inherently corrupt, and the fact that it “sounds” like it is just benefits the actually obvious corrupt criminals and disadvantages anyone else who would want to use money to advocate for a position.

Re: AI companies spend record sums on Washington lobbying

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Pro business is pro consumer.

Pro business is pro business. That's reality, not a value judgement.

Sorry, I've no idea what either of those sentences are doing.
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