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Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

jimbokun wrote: post #67
foco_tubi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that there's any credence to the idea, but many residents of low-income neighborhoods in urban areas see bike lanes as a dinner bell for gentrification. Never mind that a ton of bicycle commuters in urban areas are from low-income neighborhoods themselves...

I will never understand the fight against “gentrification”. You want property values in your neighborhood to go DOWN?

Value of an illiquid asset doesn't help renters who don't own that asset or residents who aren't in a position to liquidate.

Furthermore, the absolute last thing most of these communities need is an influx of people who have fewer big problems in their jurisdiction because those people always go right to work turning the screws of government on the poors and existing residents.

I'm not saying vote against change at every turn, but given the choice between heavy industry and rich people I'm taking the heavy industry every damn time.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#82

Post by scoofy »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #71
techjamie wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This logic fails on a couple levels. One, bike lanes are often not wide enough to support another car anyway. Two, Braess's paradox[1] is an effect that's been noticed for as long as we've had cars that adding a lane to a roadway will often show no improvement, and perhaps even add detriment, to a local traffic system. So I guess it's a common sense solution if you don't understand the first thing about roadway desig…

They understand it, they're just in the middle of a culture war.

https://theonion.com/congested-values-1819590506/

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#83

Post by scoofy »

transitorykris wrote: post #3

"Since nearly 80% of the population uses cars to get to work and their important medical appointments, we are taking a closer look at federal guidance to ensure American families have the infrastructure they need," the spokesperson said. "This is a common sense approach despite the Left's belief that everyone should ride a bike to their shoebox-sized apartment to eat crickets to achieve a phony climate agenda." Jumpi…

https://theonion.com/congested-values-1819590506/

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#84

Post by apothegm »

breezybottom wrote: post #36
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model seems to be Russia, which does not bode well for anyone.

In what way is Russia doing better than China?

They’re not, but a certain faction of the US right is taking them as a model nonetheless — I’m assuming they covet the sort of power the oligarchs there enjoy.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#85

Post by foco_tubi »

jimbokun wrote: post #67
foco_tubi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that there's any credence to the idea, but many residents of low-income neighborhoods in urban areas see bike lanes as a dinner bell for gentrification. Never mind that a ton of bicycle commuters in urban areas are from low-income neighborhoods themselves...

I will never understand the fight against “gentrification”. You want property values in your neighborhood to go DOWN?

There are a myriad of sources available to help you understand.

How to Kill a City is a good one.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#87

Post by jimbokun »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #81
jimbokun wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will never understand the fight against “gentrification”. You want property values in your neighborhood to go DOWN?

Value of an illiquid asset doesn't help renters who don't own that asset or residents who aren't in a position to liquidate. Furthermore, the absolute last thing most of these communities need is an influx of people who have fewer big problems in their jurisdiction because those people always go right to work turning the screws of government on the poors and existing residents. I'm not saying vote against change at e…

So White Flight was a good thing?

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#88

Post by muwtyhg »

foco_tubi wrote: post #80
muwtyhg wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it add to both-sides this issue? It's not even addressing the post, it's just redirecting some of the blame to a group who have nothing to do with what the article addresses.

The point is it is very much a “both sides” issue and some of the talking points across the aisle are pretty similar. That the administration is saying it only lends naysayers more authority, even if it’s not a moral or logical one.

The point is the current (Republican) DOT is actively fighting against existing bike lanes.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Post by foco_tubi »

muwtyhg wrote: post #88
foco_tubi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is it is very much a “both sides” issue and some of the talking points across the aisle are pretty similar. That the administration is saying it only lends naysayers more authority, even if it’s not a moral or logical one.

The point is the current (Republican) DOT is actively fighting against existing bike lanes.

yes, and it is also true that many Democrats on local city councils and in mayoral roles are doing the same.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#90

Post by Gud »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #71
techjamie wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This logic fails on a couple levels. One, bike lanes are often not wide enough to support another car anyway. Two, Braess's paradox[1] is an effect that's been noticed for as long as we've had cars that adding a lane to a roadway will often show no improvement, and perhaps even add detriment, to a local traffic system. So I guess it's a common sense solution if you don't understand the first thing about roadway desig…

They understand it, they're just in the middle of a culture war.

They don't understand it.
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