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Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Reminds me of that super cringy one that Wizards of the Coast did early on

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#92

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Retreats like this just concentrate the social dynamics of the people the organization has hired. I think people’s experience with them is directly correlated with the caliber of people you work with.

All of the stupid shit I’ve seen happen at these events have been done by people who I don’t miss working with

Maybe a retreat would be a good 3rd round interview.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#93
This is why you should refuse to participate in these "trust and honesty sessions". You don't owe your employer or colleagues any insight into your personal life and the HR people who often run these sessions are there for the company, not for you and generally should not be trusted with personal info.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I don't even explain why I'm taking a day off or a half day or whatever.

It's no one else's business to decide if they agree the reason is valid. Don't volunteer stuff like that especially when it would be something they'd likely agree with. Don't validate their right to decide or even be aware of anything like that. Next time maybe your need might not be so convinvcing to anyone else, but you've already established they have a right to know and a right to veto, so then trying to be private stands out as different from other times.

It doesn't mean being inflexible or uncooperative either. If there is actually some problem, they can negotiate and try to make the case and convince you that they really need you just that much just that day, and you can voluntarily decide to change your plans, but without ever volunteering what those were. And make it cost. Keep score. Claim a return favor.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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post #6

Google banned political conversations at work. Tech companies are learning from first principles why work/life separation, traditional office culture exist.

It seems the message of schizophrenic corporate America is, "don't bring your humanity to work". Because what is politics but an expression of how society should be. Even more ridiculous is this trust exercise, their idea is for employees to show their human side to improve employee-employee relationships for higher productivity, but wait, not too much of the human side! No wonder all the CEOs are crazy about AI. All…

Yes, this so-called trust exercise sounds more akin to a mutual blackmail pact.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#96
post #58

Keep work life and personal life separate. No exceptions. If a company tries to encourage you to do otherwise I’d strongly suggest you find a new employer.

Most people prefer to work with humans, not robots. Common experiences and getting to know people are a huge part of that.

Sharing stories and getting to know people humanizes them. It's much easier to hate "that team in another country" you've never met than that person you've had a meal together with and learned about their hobbies.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#97

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Sounds like it was productive!

No it wasn't. Those kinds of conflicts always have blame for the rest of the execs too.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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That sounds like an exhausting way to live.

I would say that the more-exhausting way to live would be to be unaware of this, to accept the “we’re a family here” lie at face value, and to be passed over and screwed over at frequent intervals without knowing or understanding why. You don’t have to go full Patrick Bateman corp-bro, but keeping in mind the phrase “we don’t fire family” and adjusting your approach based on that counter-example can help you to keep…

The least exhausting way to work a job is to find people to work with who are smart, well adjusted, and genuinely interested in cooperating to make money together.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#99
post #51

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Announcing your medications at a public work function is kind of weird though, regardless of what they are. Is that just me?

Yeah, that's just TMI. I don't think anyone ever pressed for more details after a coworker said "I had some issues with my health". People show empathy, and move on. No need to ask for details.

In day-to-day work life or a meet-and-greet, yeah. But this was an executives-only retreat where they were apparently encouraged to drink and made a big deal out of getting everyone to open up to each other.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

#100

Offsite retreats seem like a bad idea in general, I've never been to one where I felt the team or company worked together better afterwards, and I've seen some spectacularly bad results... like the time the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales (the classic problem of "Engineering isn't shipping features fast enough" and "Sales is selling features before even consulting…

Sounds like it was productive!

I might be reading too closely / projecting, but...

Sounds like an ineffectual CEO who didn't understand that his role, like any manager, is to help resolve interpersonal conflict between his subordinates that they're having trouble working out themselves. Outsourcing that to a random coordinator reeks of conflict-avoidant behavior. That they both quit tells me that neither one thought the other was the sole problem they were dealing with.

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