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Our position on open-weights models

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Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Post by Barrin92 »

teravor wrote: post #85
pcstl wrote: post #38

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> The NSA and the CIA with the same models, on the other hand, would use them exclusively for the good of the common man. has anyone ever made this absurd argument? the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests, which is obvious. it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world and above it all.

>it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world

97% of the world aren't US citizens and if you've taken a look at pew research surveys (or travelled to the so-called global south) you're going to be in for a bit of a shock (https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/07/15/people-in-many...)

The competition and sheer output of China has driven prosperity, it's the largest trading partner of 150 countries, the US of 50. People don't need to be citizens of the world, they just need to rationally look at their own interests. China is driving down prices of technologies making them available in countries that never could afford first world prices, the US is driving the them into an energy crisis and bankruptcy.

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Post by flossly »

coffeemug wrote: post #176
cogman10 wrote: post #28

> Anthropic has never advocated for a ban on open-weights models. > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing. Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models. Who runs this test? What happens if this test is too costly or the administrator refuses to allow certain people to participate. This is exactly how the US has banned goods in the past, by r…

A government agency tests all medications, why not models?

Do they? Or do they accept trail reports pay for by the pharma (super expensive, hence not affordable for open source / not-patentable medicine development)

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Post by Gigachad »

cogman10 wrote: post #28

> Anthropic has never advocated for a ban on open-weights models. > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing. Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models. Who runs this test? What happens if this test is too costly or the administrator refuses to allow certain people to participate. This is exactly how the US has banned goods in the past, by r…

Same way they have banned DJI products like camera microphones, technically it's not banned, it just needs to be approved because it has a wireless transmitter, and for some strange reason the US is the only country that hasn't approved them.

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Post by sanderjd »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #174

Basically we shouldn’t ban open-weights models but we shouldn’t allow them to become as good as the frontier models because china bad. And let’s not have someone else be able to produce a frontier model. >We should not sell powerful chips or chipmaking equipment to China, and we should crack down on the rampant smuggling3 and workarounds used to obtain access to such chips. China has limited domestic production capac…

Why has "open weights" become synonymous with "Chinese" in the first place? To me, that is the problem. I also prefer US models. But I want there to be competitive open weights models too. Those aren't actually incompatible preferences...

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Post by 510_ANT_75 »

coffeemug wrote: post #176
cogman10 wrote: post #28

> Anthropic has never advocated for a ban on open-weights models. > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing. Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models. Who runs this test? What happens if this test is too costly or the administrator refuses to allow certain people to participate. This is exactly how the US has banned goods in the past, by r…

A government agency tests all medications, why not models?

Yes: at great expense, one carried in part by drug companies. Who pays to test the open weight models?

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Post by sterlind »

YmiYugy wrote: post #202
cogman10 wrote: post #28

> Anthropic has never advocated for a ban on open-weights models. > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing. Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models. Who runs this test? What happens if this test is too costly or the administrator refuses to allow certain people to participate. This is exactly how the US has banned goods in the past, by r…

Yeah, seems pretty likely. Anthropic will make the case that their models should be evaluated with the safety layer in front, because that is the only way the model is available whereas open weight models need to pass the same test just on the weights. The economic implications will be rather large, but in terms of security it seems inconsequential. The most compelling argument would be that by limiting the use of op…

> The most compelling argument would be that by limiting the use of open-weight models in the US that it will reduce cases of accidents like the recent attack on Hugging Face.

an attack done by a closed-weight model (GPT-6) and defended against by an open-weight model (GLM-5.2) precisely because OAI positioned themselves as gatekeepers for cyber capabilities.

if anything, open-weight models shift the battle towards defenders because they can actually run them.

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