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Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Nothing can be done about it, so (shrug) praise the Lord and pass the Shell 93 octane, I guess. Can't fight a hundred-million strong cult.

Well you absolutely can but the next opportunity isn’t until 2028.

> next opportunity isn’t until 2028

There's an election every year (including special and midterms). The fight is annual and it's completely unfair to believe it's a quadrennial event and lead others to believe the same. Participate in your local elections. It's where all of this starts. The national is mostly noise that bubbles up and out.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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They are a real news organization. Even after losing federal funding they deliver the news without editorial. Perhaps editorial bias but that's inherent in all outlets. Question: if the news reports something you don't like, is it fake?

> Question: if the news reports something you don't like, is it fake?

One of Trump’s many talents is corrupting language. The phrase “fake news” was originally used to criticize his many outright lies about what was going on in the world during his first run for office, but he managed to change the meaning to “anything that doesn’t show him in the best possible light”.

He’s remarkably adept at demagoguery.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#63

It's pretty clear that from the other side of the border that the man in charge is literally acting like an 80 year old 4chan b troll. He's just trying to get under everyone's skin and it's working. Look at those crowds of bikers... ICE protesters... no king protesters... He's a showman and he loves it. Stop giving him airtime. So what if federal funding doesn't recognize bike lanes or whatever this is about? Vote in…

A big part of the issue is that federal funding drives probably the majority of significant projects at all levels. We have a completely broken system where every project is a targeted towards winning a grant as much as if not more than the actual local need. Milwaukee WI has had several (awarded!) street reconstruction grants killed by this admin because they included bike lanes. They weren't bike lane _projects_, t…

What a mess. Condolences, and good luck down there.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#64

I have friends who despise cyclists but oppose bike lanes. Bike lanes would take cyclists out of your lane and into their own lane. Plus if more people start cycling because there's infrastructure, that's less car traffic in the way of your truck! It just seems like a win-win for everybody. I've given up hope on transportation in the USA. It certainly won't be fixed within my lifetime.

But as much as those people despise cyclists, bike lanes continue to proliferate in urban areas.

Just because there is not unanimous support for good policies, doesn’t mean they can’t be implemented.

Also a big win for local policy making, which used to be a preference of the right.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#65
People who dislike this situation need to stop taking the Trump administration's (and allies') statements at face value, like David Harkey does in the article, and stop calling them crazy. Either way, they are playing you and distracting you, and you are inadvertently acting as their messengers.

Using the universal analytical tool cui bono (more powerful than an LLM) and their own explicit words, there's a consistent, non-crazy strategy: Support the fossil fuel industry in every way possible (which appeals to some people; I'm not writing a critique; you should understand this.):

  * Destroy or acquire national competitors: Venezuala, Iran,
    even Nigeria

  * Buy off domestic competitors: using tax dollars to bribe
    renewable energy developments to stop

  * A million other policy and political actions, major and
    and minor; even opposing bike lanes.
Regarding 'crazy', it's a form of aggression - demonstrating there is no length to which they won't go, to intimidate the other side into backing down. It's been the American neo-right rhetorical tactic going back decades - be aggressive, and if that doesn't work, be more aggressive. Because nobody else has figured out this very basic tactic (used by even by animals), people keep backing down and the tactic keeps working. You see people every day saying they are hopeless, tired, resigned, etc. Why would the neo-right stop - this is working amazingly well!

(If you doubt it, see if my hypothesis predicts future events.)

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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"Since nearly 80% of the population uses cars to get to work and their important medical appointments, we are taking a closer look at federal guidance to ensure American families have the infrastructure they need," the spokesperson said. "This is a common sense approach despite the Left's belief that everyone should ride a bike to their shoebox-sized apartment to eat crickets to achieve a phony climate agenda." Jumpi…

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What?

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

#67

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Making things better is Progressive, and Progressive is woke, and woke is DEI. So to fight back against DEI find the things that make peoples’ lives better (like bike lanes) and destroy them. Just tear them up, and you’ve won the culture war and saved America. This is the official GOP policy, the best of what the GOP has to offer. Fight friends, betray allies, threaten your neighbors, drop bombs, smash bike lanes.

Not that there's any credence to the idea, but many residents of low-income neighborhoods in urban areas see bike lanes as a dinner bell for gentrification. Never mind that a ton of bicycle commuters in urban areas are from low-income neighborhoods themselves...

I will never understand the fight against “gentrification”. You want property values in your neighborhood to go DOWN?

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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Great, more ammunition for bad faith arguments from all sides. Unfortunately there's a healthy subset of the Democratic party which is also against road infrastructure improvements like bike lanes and traffic calming. Car brain is an affliction which does not discriminate.

What does it add to both-sides this issue? It's not even addressing the post, it's just redirecting some of the blame to a group who have nothing to do with what the article addresses.

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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In a nearby suburban town, the GOP Chair forced a referendum on a road project. New York has a complete streets program where bike lanes and pedestrian friendly crossings are included in most projects. Iirc 4-5 people have died crossing this road. The call to action was that “those people” would use the bike lanes to leave the city, connect to the Democrat bike trail and rape, murder and rob the townsfolk. Old fearfu…

I think there's a good faith possibility here that the taxpayers just don't see themselves biking to "the hood" rather than some sinister plan against black people. I mean I wouldn't vote for a bike route to the white trash trailer park, not because I hate them but because there is no reason for me to bike there whereas I might bike to a nice gentrified district for some drinks. I would reframe most things more in te…

Do you think there is any way to convince you to value a broader community of people?

Re: US DOT deleting bike lane references

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"Since nearly 80% of the population uses cars to get to work and their important medical appointments, we are taking a closer look at federal guidance to ensure American families have the infrastructure they need," the spokesperson said. "This is a common sense approach despite the Left's belief that everyone should ride a bike to their shoebox-sized apartment to eat crickets to achieve a phony climate agenda." Jumpi…

This logic fails on a couple levels. One, bike lanes are often not wide enough to support another car anyway. Two, Braess's paradox[1] is an effect that's been noticed for as long as we've had cars that adding a lane to a roadway will often show no improvement, and perhaps even add detriment, to a local traffic system.

So I guess it's a common sense solution if you don't understand the first thing about roadway design?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess%27s_paradox

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