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Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.de website

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Which is complete bullshit with the Euro having been specifically invented to be used across the EU. I had a similar moment of stupidifiedment trying to park in Germany with a phone set to Dutch region. Euro in cash works everywhere Euros are accepted but apps on the freaking Internet? Nah, gotta restrict that to the publisher country only.

Switzerland is not part of the EU nor the Eurozone though. It's still a shortsighted stance of Postbank not to open the app to at least the DACH region, but that specific argument carries little weight.

I accidentally skipped that part :(

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From their site: >It is not possible to send Wero payments to friends & family via a web browser or on a computer https://support.wero-wallet.eu/hc/en-us/articles/25599074240... So its pretty clear they have no plans to support plain browser access. Which is a very strange decision to me.

It's primarily an online payment system, not a money transfer system. It has worked since forever (20+ years, it's a rebranded Dutch system) from web browser. Still does.

The horse's mouth seems to contradict this. The subject is Wero, not Ideal.

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> instant transfers that cannot cost more than standard transfers Interesting, I didn't know that. Now, why would anyone want to do a non-instant transfer, then (short of not knowing about it like in my case)? Doesn't this mandate basically make all transfers instant?

My bank sets the default to "Standard (1-3 Days). Many forget to click the checkbox. I have also heard: "I only do instant when I need it" implying some implicit cost/limit they fear. This is probably still worth it for Banks. As not _all_ transfers are now the dreadful super expensive instant variety.

It's a dark pattern, my bank does it too. Reminiscent of online stores that put the price-sorting option "High > Low" before "Low > High", as if literally anybody would ever want to do the former. This is a heuristic I use to judge trustworthiness. Decathlon doesn't do it.

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One step at a time. Until then, you can use Murena or GrapheneOS.

AfAIK wero needs Google Play Integrity. So you are still stuck with Google. When that are said. I 100% agree with you - one step at a time. I think Wero will no longer depend on that in 3–5 years. It's just real challenges that the European banking system needs to figure out. The EU works slow, but it does move :) Kind of like the Ents in LOTR

Well 2 weeks ago I have managed to send and received a wero transaction from my /e/Os without Google play. Someone is wrong here

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Wero is such a valuable asset for Europe and couldn't have come at a better time. It's built on the excellent SEPA system, which standardized bank transfers and "Lastschrift" in Europe. SEPA itself got a huge upgrade last year with mandatory instant transfers that cannot cost more than standard transfers between European checking accounts. Both of those allowed Wero to happen as a final abstract top layer, meaning: t…

My bank (BOFIIE2D) now gives me the option of instant or standard payments. Both cost the same. And in both cases the money leaves my account instantly. I can just choose whether it arrives at the recipient instantly or after a few days. I have no idea why standard is still an option. Why would I want that?

Most likely answer is just that BOE doesn’t have a strong product design culture.

But there is another reason why some may prefer standard: due to the instant payment rules banks are not able to hold inbound payments for screening so if a payment trips a flip that requires screening then it will be rejected. Other payment rails will typically result in the payment being held for a manual review where it will be released shortly later. Instant payments will be rejected if not crediting the recipient in a few seconds.

As this disproportionately affects people with names in common with sanctions lists, to send money to/from those people sometimes a standard transfer is the only option.

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> The Wero app can be installed on any mobile device or tablet running iOS 17.4 or later, or Android 9 or later. We recommend updating your device to the latest version of its operating system for maximum performance and security. > It is not possible to send Wero payments to friends & family via a web browser or on a computer Truly independent from US companies ... If you don't have an iOS or an Android device, you…

You can use your PC

It is very clear than you cannot. Yet.

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To be honest I like the idea of forcing merchants to accept credit cards in addition to this. Regardless of how much I like the idea of a payments layer without Visa/Mastercard fees, I think the rich engineers of hackernews and 10,000 overpaid consultants who worked on this massively underestimate how valuable an interest-free 30 day bridge loan is to average people (and businesses) on monthly payroll. Combine this w…

This applies more to the USA than to Europe, where "credit cards" are in fact mostly debit cards (cursory research says 71% vs 26% in America), and ordinary people tend not to be up to their necks in consumer debt. Anecdotally, I've never used an actual credit card in my life.

Data from the IMF says European households hold a similar level of debt if not more (especially the case in northern Europe):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household...

The US used to be an outlier in this regard if you look back to 2000, but over the past 25+ years American households have stayed pretty much the same while their European counterparts have grown debt substantially.

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Replies from the German GLS bank on mastodon imply that EPI does not support the use case where banks add it to their web interface https://ruhr.social/@glsbank/116215341782832097 https://ruhr.social/@glsbank/116125936995037426 > Good morning, it's not "our" fault. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it—Wero is a service offered by EPI, and they've decided to take a "mobile-first" approach for now. Warm re…

> they've decided to take a "mobile-first" approach for now That's hardly a confirmation that it will never be possible ("for now"). It seems like a fair tradeoff for a launch when almost everyone has a smartphone and that's already enforced like that for many parts of life (I'm not saying it's great, but it's a valid tradeoff when alternative options exist) like banking or public transport where the happy path often…

You'd think that basic infrastructure such as payment systems had higher standards than just "most" people having access to it.

It's fine as long as we have alternatives, but if online shops were to start to phase out SEPA payments in favor of Wero and Wero-only shops were to start popping it, it would be a real problem.

Btw the solution already exists: It's still relatively small scale but GNU Taler is live in Switzerland. The EU could make regulation to make it easier to adopt at any time it wants.

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This type of thing (scan QR code) is how basically all payments were done when I was recently in China, via wechat or alipay (either you show your QR code for big shops, or scan their QR code for small shops / vendors. They can just print them out if they want and hang a copy). I found it superior to other systems I've used in basically every way. Particularly for small market stalls -- I scan their QR code, I enter…

To me NFC is superior. It checks all the boxes you mentioned plus quicker / last steps

But NFC unchecks the box "Open" since NFC access is usually a prerogative of the native wallet app of the OS, i.e. our favorite US duopoly. By contrast, any device can read or display a QR code. Hence also the success of QR payments in China, where the local app ecosystem is built more or less on top of the Android-iOS native layer.

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It's up to your bank actually. Banks (generally) don't want to pay for your hardware key so you need to do a special dance to trigger their compliance bound neural pathways to send you one. But then the true bliss will arrive the next year with eidas 3.0 or whatever it is called

In the Netherlands this boils down to the 'system banks' (the big ones like ING, ABN AMRO, Rabobank, etc.) which grudgingly offer hardware devices for people who won't or can't use a smartphone, and the neobanks (like Revolut, Knab, and Bunq) which make an Android or IOS smartphone a hard requirement.

ASN Bank has a website that allows you to set a browser-linked code once, after verifying both your email address and phone number. You can then use that browser+code as the 2FA device. It's pretty neat.
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