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Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by vitally3643 »

pnw wrote: post #45
asdefghyk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall a articale I read "somewhere" that reported the Facebook makes big profit (Billions) from scams. So they have no ( or no strong motive) motive to shut such scams down An example is courtcase against Meta for using a Australians mining billionares likeness to promote a crypo investment scam. https://www.afr.com/technology/dad-it-s-a-fraud-call-that-sp...

Your first assertion is obviously untrue. And fake celebrity endorsements pre-date the existence of the Internet, let alone Meta. There were lawsuits back in the 1800s on this topic. This is hardly a new problem unique to Meta.

There's nothing obvious about it. Meta makes money on ads, period. Scams work and get clicks. Therefore, meta makes money on scams running rampant on their platform.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by altcognito »

akrymski wrote: post #41

EU protects a database creator if there has been a qualitative or quantitative "substantial investment" in obtaining, verifying, or presenting the content, regardless of creative expression. In USA copyright requires a minimum degree of original creativity in the selection, coordination, or arrangement of the data. I think it's a rather grey line to say that Google search results are just facts, but eg maps are copyr…

They definitely started blowing through that line when they started serving up content answers as results.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by munk-a »

Waterluvian wrote: post #43
janalsncm wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, go ahead and ask the LLM who won the 2026 World Cup. Or nearby BBQ places open now. Even assuming no hallucinations, an LLM can replace some use cases for search but not all.

I tried both and it’s not even close which interface is better when it comes to answering a question. Google gives you stuff to sift through and interpret. AI just gives the answer. Imagine you’re in the car or hands free or disabled and you just want the question answered. https://ibb.co/whYmZWxs https://ibb.co/JFkQbmJf

AI just gives the answer... which you then need to sift through and interpret as it's often wrong.

Google's UX is terrible - but a search engine (a tool that can put you right into contact with the FAQ or forum where actual experts are discussing your problem) is always going to be powerful.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by paul7986 »

layer8 wrote: post #36
paul7986 wrote: post #14

What about them taking content for their AI summaries? Have they created a system that gets content owners and creators paid in this regard yet?

These are still open: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_... https://www.epceurope.eu/post/european-publishers-council-fi...

Yes, it will take legal action in Europe and or when the U.S. switches back with more democrats in power to force them to start paying their fair share.

It behooves them to create systems that gets content creators paid as without content AI can not stay relevant. It also behooves entrepreneurs and technologists to create systems that solves this issue.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by nicce »

binarymax wrote: post #7

I'd be more OK with this if Google had a good API for their search results. But they've deprecated it, and now there is no alternative. So I'll continue to use 3rd parties that scrape Google results, until they change their mind.

I wonder how this changes things (EU forces to share search data):

https://abcnews.com/Technology/wireStory/eu-forces-google-sh...

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by exe34 »

jonatron wrote: post #6

It's quite important that SERPs are scrapeable, because they keep advertising scams like ETA/ESTA sites: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56886957

Same with land registry UK, it takes me several tries even though I know I should be looking for the .gov version. Last time I only realised I got the ad version because it asked me to pay for something that's free on the gov version.
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