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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by soco »

dualvariable wrote: post #155
flockonus wrote: post #38

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

> I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. Laws are written by imperfect humans. Bad laws exist.

Well then fix the laws, and/or advocate to fix the laws. Laws must exist in order to have a society, and no defeatist attitude will ever fix them. Laws won't fix by themselves, a majority needs to need them fixed. And then APPLY them.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by vikingly »

saghm wrote: post #114
vikingly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The blogpost has the attitude problem of virtue signaling about decisions that has zero cost to themselves, about a communal kin based socialist society them know little about. Normal working families with kids live next to these parks and rely on them as open space, it is part of the Danish socialist welfare system and care for the working man. Defacation and open cooking plus thrash by not your own weak but foreign…

> Normal working families with kids live next to these parks and rely on them as open space, it is part of the Danish socialist welfare system and care for the working man. Defacation and open cooking plus thrash by not your own weak but foreigners has real cost to those that can’t afford to move. The article made it pretty clear that they're not arguing against deporting people who are camping in parks though, and j…

The question asked in Scandinavia is if a migrant group is a net benefit to our ability to have group solidarity, while high skill individuals are judged on individual merit. These are two very different categories, and Scandinavians do not feel an obligation towards a world collective within their borders.

The group talked about here came in through mass migration and are in group conflict with working peoples interest in having safe communal open spaces, while being a net negative contributor to public pools of resources used to help the average man and disproportionately contributing to theft.

From a Scandinavian perspective you choose group solidarity with your own working man over the stranger that did not come in through high skill merit.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by AlotOfReading »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #53

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The way you've written your comment implies "high trust societies" and (presumably ethnic) "diversity" are opposites. The terms high- and low- trust society come from Fukuyama, who considered ethnically homogenous countries like Korea low-trust, and ethnically diverse countries like the US and Germany high- trust. Please, go more into what you mean about social trust and how it relates to diversity.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by SirFatty »

yreg wrote: post #102
roughly wrote: post #16

I live in Oakland. Something I've noticed in a lot of the "THE CITY IS GOING TO HELL" commentary is that often people are pointing at visual symptoms - a homeless encampment, graffiti - as a proxy for "things are bad," and it doesn't take a lot of pulling on that thread before you get to "well just look at them," and it's real hard to cast that one in a "race-neutral" way. I've heard people complaining about hot dog…

The author is complaining about people defecating in public spaces, not about graffiti.

I guess that could be a type of art.

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Post by adamrezich »

roughly wrote: post #160
adamrezich wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is beyond my proverbial pay grade. But it's not beyond my proverbial pay grade to state that believing that, systemically , “[x demographic in y location] are way more likely to be [in undesirable situation]” is completely denying agency to the individuals in question by pretending that [x demographic in y location] ending up [in undesirable situation] is something of a weighted dice roll made by unseen forces,…

So you don’t believe in, like, history? Or what’s the argument here?

Either you're willfully ignoring the American citizen's right to free movement between States, or you're actually saying that any given black person who moves to Oakland has—regardless of any life circumstances or decisions they've made, simply as a fact of their ethnicity—some arbitrary-percentage chance of ending up homeless, as some immutable localized nth-order structural outcome, regardless of any choices they make.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by Cider9986 »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #141
Cider9986 wrote: post #122

This should not have been flagged. There's not even any flagged comments.

I don't know the rules for what does and doesn't get flagged. I tried to write it in a respectful way without resorting to personal attacks.

I noticed your respectful and thoughtful writing which is why I don't think it should be flagged. It starts the discussion in a nice way, and as I said at the time there weren't even any rule breaking comments that were flagged.

I've asked the moderators.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by roughly »

adamrezich wrote: post #175
roughly wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you don’t believe in, like, history? Or what’s the argument here?

Either you're willfully ignoring the American citizen's right to free movement between States, or you're actually saying that any given black person who moves to Oakland has—regardless of any life circumstances or decisions they've made, simply as a fact of their ethnicity—some arbitrary-percentage chance of ending up homeless, as some immutable localized nth-order structural outcome, regardless of any choices they m…

Oh, I see the confusion - in America, we use the word “free” to mean both “allowed to” and “doesn’t cost money,” which leads to the kinds of odd circumstances where one is “free” to do something, but that thing isn’t “free,” so if they lack the money or resources to do so, they’re not actually able to do it. It’s a confusing part of our language and our system.

Similarly, we’ve got a bunch of cases where the law says X, but actually conforming with the law, or proving what you’re doing is legal, also costs money, and is therefore not “free” either. That one catches a bunch of people.

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Post by jjkaczor »

worthless-trash wrote: post #111
jjkaczor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the environment - in that book for example, Arctic wolves were not the cause of large (in physical size - the caribou) prey animal population decline, even though the "feelings" of the average person was that they must be the reason. Outside of fiction, wolves are not ravenous beasts that hunt everything and anything in sight. Predators do tend to go for the weak/sick, older or younger/inexperienced target…

You're looking at the problem from the 5,000 foot view. Prey is whatever is at risk of being consumed. I have made no attempt at classifying wolves behavior in my comment. Edit: I do take the prey/predator relationship very seriously, I wrote about what I do here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46462101

By that logic - every living being on the planet is - or can be prey for something else - and I am not disagreeing with that.

But that 5,000 foot view of mine is more related to the original blog author using predator/prey as an analogy - it breaks down quickly when applied to humans.

Nice comment! (I used to hunt - but not as intimately as your experience - you have a very skilled and serious background)

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Post by joshcsimmons »

roughly wrote: post #16

I live in Oakland. Something I've noticed in a lot of the "THE CITY IS GOING TO HELL" commentary is that often people are pointing at visual symptoms - a homeless encampment, graffiti - as a proxy for "things are bad," and it doesn't take a lot of pulling on that thread before you get to "well just look at them," and it's real hard to cast that one in a "race-neutral" way. I've heard people complaining about hot dog…

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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by joshcsimmons »

Strange logic and strange days we live in.

Typically I just spend money on software that works the best and suits my needs.

I don't generally research the individual creating it.

We should all know less about eachother!

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