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Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by twalla »

mawadev wrote: post #21

I love this pretentious design the Ai people use on their websites, its pleasing to the eye

The whole cycle of aesthetics is about signaling and countersignaling. This whole "look" is also about what it _isn't_ (bright, sterile, sans-serifs, weird corporate memphis purple squiggly people). It's part of the reason all the tech bros won't shut up about "taste" now and Palantir has a storefront with a chore coat drop (someone thought they cooked lol). I don't know how you'd even begin to turn the understanding around contextualizing why something that used to be "in" is "out" or why things like tension/juxtaposition/irony/nostalgia work into something an LLM can grasp. The irony here is that by pushing LLMs in this direction they're just more rigidily codifying the whole aesthetic and giving it a stronger, rancid AI stink which will only bring about the new thing sooner once people see this whole look as the visual equivalent of the em-dash.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by bonoboTP »

mawadev wrote: post #21

I love this pretentious design the Ai people use on their websites, its pleasing to the eye

Copycats copy it, then it gets associated with subpar quality then the frontier guys adopt something fresh (or something deliberately currently-very-janky or retro/outdated associated) and the barber's pole of fashion rotates once more.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

cyanydeez wrote: post #57
wtfHN26 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I'm being frivolous, does this mean Microsoft's model is best at fixing Microsoft products because they have trillions of data points on problems with Microsoft products Do they want to fix Microsoft Products ? My laptop came with Windows 11. Windows update broke hibernate few weeks back. When laptop gets out of hibernate - Wifi works for a few minutes and then once in a while the Wifi Adapter isn't detected. I…

Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice.

Backwards compatibility was the one thing Windows got right. It was the only real reason to use it.

But backwards compatibility isn't actually that hard if you're not horrendously mismanaged to begin with. You have some ancient miserable APIs from the 1990s that you still have to support, fine, but that's not actually that bad. Old APIs tend to be small because computers were small that far back, you write a compatibility layer and can keep using it. By definition the old stuff never changes so you only have to do it once.

The actual problem is that Microsoft is full of little fiefdoms. Because what they should do, after becoming a huge behemoth with the resources to do it (which has been the case for more than two decades), is to design a set of good, modern APIs, also only once. Something that you're happy to support forever because you took the time to get it right. Then you only have to support that and the little compatibility layer for truly ancient software.

Instead, they have an army of middle managers who are practically at war with each other to show that they can introduce some kind of novel "improvement", the vast majority of which quickly fall out of favor but then have to be supported indefinitely if you don't want to break backwards compatibility. And that makes backwards compatibility a huge ordeal because every year there is more poorly-engineered rubbish you have to support forever.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by arjie »

ecshafer wrote: post #88
arjie wrote: post #80

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I think it's interesting how the superstars of a space dominate the design signal in it. Other parties trying to associate with the space are then forced to participate. The AI lab being a beige background with serif fonts and an abstract image collage with illustrations being a grungy version of Corporate Memphis is 100% downstream of Anthropic dominating the current conversation in the space and therefore Geist des…

At least Geist looks nice. Corporate Memphis has always been ugly, beyond ugly even, its an insult to aesthetics itself, an insult to all of life.

Haha, I agree. I always thought Corporate Memphis people looked extraordinarily fat. The colours chosen to accompany were always rather jarring too. But then again, I won't claim to be much of an artist. My wife was at Figma's conference "Config" and their visual design also looks awfully jarring to me. Scroll to the bottom here: https://config.figma.com/

It seems that others like that though.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by twalla »

arjie wrote: post #80
mawadev wrote: post #21

I love this pretentious design the Ai people use on their websites, its pleasing to the eye

I think it's interesting how the superstars of a space dominate the design signal in it. Other parties trying to associate with the space are then forced to participate. The AI lab being a beige background with serif fonts and an abstract image collage with illustrations being a grungy version of Corporate Memphis is 100% downstream of Anthropic dominating the current conversation in the space and therefore Geist des…

There's a graphic illustrating the typographic homogenization of a bunch of fashion houses in the late 2010s early 20s like you described in the article below. It's come full circle and there's been a return to maximalism and signaling heritage/legacy among some brands. Largely, I think, as a reaction to ever-accelerating trend cycles, planned obsolescence, the cursed nature of millenial targeted d2c brands and especially the looming specter of big tech - all of which have some sort of association with the clean, cool/pastel, sans-serif, minimalist kind of vibe.

https://www.designandpaper.com/they-are-calling-it-a-sans-se...

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by udbhavs »

rustystump wrote: post #83
udbhavs wrote: post #23

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I've been noticing the uptick of beige + serif fonts + art with rough textures in this space. It feels like an attempt to humanize the technology and make it more palatable to people. Anthropic is the biggest example of this language with its ads and promotions. Edit: I'm enjoying seeing all the other examples linked in the responses. I decided to make a public Semble collection ( https://semble.so/profile/vadhub.bsk…

Ever seen posthogs website? It is a choice for sure but i swear to god it must have been somehow polluted ai training data because their ux is now getting pooped out more than the purple tailwind of last year.

Honestly, I'd take this over purple tailwind any day. That style has given me an ick for the color scheme I don't know if I'll ever shake off

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by vessenes »

Oras wrote: post #19

Take anything from Microsoft with grain of salt. Remember Phi? They can’t decide on naming their product in Azure, let alone creating something useful or usable

Phi was smart (or had a smart training architecture, more precisely), and arguably pushed the conversation forward globally on the value of curated training data.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by genxy »

gkbrk wrote: post #60
cyanydeez wrote: post #57

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Escaping their programming ability, Window's major issue is everything has backwards compability, so they design everything with spaghetti because they have no choice.

Wine has better backwards-compatibility than Windows these days.

The Windows Compatibility Layer for Windows will be Wine someday.

Re: MAI-Cyber-1-Flash inside MDASH

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Post by arjie »

twalla wrote: post #96
arjie wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's interesting how the superstars of a space dominate the design signal in it. Other parties trying to associate with the space are then forced to participate. The AI lab being a beige background with serif fonts and an abstract image collage with illustrations being a grungy version of Corporate Memphis is 100% downstream of Anthropic dominating the current conversation in the space and therefore Geist des…

There's a graphic illustrating the typographic homogenization of a bunch of fashion houses in the late 2010s early 20s like you described in the article below. It's come full circle and there's been a return to maximalism and signaling heritage/legacy among some brands. Largely, I think, as a reaction to ever-accelerating trend cycles, planned obsolescence, the cursed nature of millenial targeted d2c brands and espec…

Oh, very neat! I'd noticed the Burberry abandonment of that style and looking far downmarket the Cracker Barrel rebrand to less baroque style failed as well. I hadn't noticed it was so widespread. It's funny. I still like the minimal style but I'm old now so maybe that's how it goes.
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