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All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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Hey dompamine_daddy - would love to chat with you about this for a story on The Register but can't find any contact information. You can find mine here: https://www.theregister.com/author/brandon-vigliarolo Aiming to file this sometime in the afternoon eastern US time today, probably by 3:30 or so.

I emailed you just now from e*****o at gmail.com

Sorry - got stuck in spam. Sending you some questions now.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#72

Hey dompamine_daddy - would love to chat with you about this for a story on The Register but can't find any contact information. You can find mine here: https://www.theregister.com/author/brandon-vigliarolo Aiming to file this sometime in the afternoon eastern US time today, probably by 3:30 or so.

When you post it, please make sure to highlight according to the author: "this analysis was not conducted with full scientific rigor. I tried my best" The last thing we need is journalists laundering HN fodder as if it is peer reviewed research.

'course! It's an interesting bit of work, even if not scientifically rigorous and peer-reviewed.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#73

lib-left by American standards. Probably roughly center by global standards.

As an European: in the last 10-15 years the American left went much further left, it’s getting unironically exteemist.

So no, not really center bu European standards.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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post #73

lib-left by American standards. Probably roughly center by global standards.

As an European: in the last 10-15 years the American left went much further left, it’s getting unironically exteemist. So no, not really center bu European standards.

How? The big actions of Obama & Biden would be considered center-right by European standards, bills like Obamacare and the Inflation Reduction Act.

They certainly seem well to the right of Lyndon Johnson's Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act or Carter's pardoning of draft dodgers.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#75
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservatives in the media remain firmly convinced, or at least continually post about, how the left has moved so far away from the center that they never consider the possibility that maybe they have moved away from the center. That meme with the line where the two sides are close and then the guy on the left runs away gets posted and reposted so often on places like X that it might as well just be an emoji at this…

I remember how transgender suddenly became a massive issue a couple of years ago. I used to visit the meme site called 9gag a lot, and there was a moment when the platform got flooded with anti-trans content. There were even counter memes where people were joking how obsessed 9gag got with transgenders. This is Taliban level of reality detachment. Who ever got bothered by a transgender?

Happened right after the whole anti-gay marriage movement collapsed in the face of overwhelming public opinion. Transgender rights were determined to be the next best option for a wedge issue. Ultimately the thing that doomed the gay marriage issue is that too many people personally know one or more homosexuals and realize just how full of shit the entire thing was. With transgender people that is far less of an issue, it's much easier to paint with a broad brush because almost nobody knows a transgender person personally.

Politicians can then claim that they're a threat and make laws to persecute people for being trans, and if you have your old stance of "Who cares? Leave them alone.", you're now in the radical woke leftist camp. A prime example of how liberals have run off to the left and left the center behind.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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post #73

lib-left by American standards. Probably roughly center by global standards.

As an European: in the last 10-15 years the American left went much further left, it’s getting unironically exteemist. So no, not really center bu European standards.

What the hell did Biden or Obama do that was extreme left?

We can't even get universal healthcare passed.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#77
The bias is in defining what is left or right. If a proposition like "Astrology accurately explains many things." is used to distinguish between liberals and conservatives then you should not be surprised by the results. Not every conservative person is a flat earther.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#78
God, I wish people would stop using that political compass site as the basis for any sort of analysis. It's a useful metaphor, but that specific site and the test on it is complete horseshit designed to make false "both sides are the same" arguments and make anyone left of Pinochet think they're a secret left-libertarian.

You can go back and compare their archived "analysis" of 2008 candidates to the one for 2020 and see they peg Biden '20 as more auth-right than the fundamentalist Huckabee '08 campaign, while Biden '08 rates more lib-left than Warren 2020, despite his 2008 run being objectively more centrist.

There's a reason their "methodology" is a black box.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

#80

Reality has a left wing bias. That's a quote from something. Not sure I agree necessarily, but a plausible explanation.

What is "reality"? Is there really any such thing as ground truth for most things?

> What is "reality"? Is there really any such thing as ground truth for most things?

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Dick

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