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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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The article literally is making an argument to deport the people you're complaining about, just not literally everyone else who happens to be from the same ethnic group. I don't really understand why you'd have a problem with them saying that if that's what you actually care about.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#92
post #37

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Libelous. He never says to shoot Roma. He says to deport foreigners who sleep in parks.

He does say to shoot the wolves. And the wolves are the “gypsies” in the analogy he is explicitly drawing. The commenter you’re responding to was highlighting the parallelism not literally saying “he said to shoot people”

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#93
post #57

This whole article seems like a straw man. Chad seems to be arguing: 1. DHH thinks all gypsies are bad, therefor 2. DHH does not see Roma as individual people, therefor 3. DHH is a bad person. I read DHH's blog as: 1. It should still be illegal to camp in parks, therefor 2. People who do camp in parks should be housed, therefor 3. Foreigners who refuse housing should be deported.

My problem with the part about housing is that DHH acts as if cities have enough shelters to accommodate everyone and these 'gypsies' are refusing to go there. I don't buy that for a second.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#94
post #18

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Based on the content of the post, it seems like it would be adequate to find an email platform run by people not vocally calling for the ethnic cleansing of minorities.

He is calling for the deportation of illegal immigrants who sleep in parks. Cloudflare, in contrast, actively works with the CCP which is doing actual ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang. But they are harder to cancel aren’t they. I’m a pragmatist. I’m not going to drive myself crazy interrogating the opinions of every service provider I use. I don’t know about the Fastmail founder or CEO’s beliefs and don’t want…

> He is calling for the deportation of illegal immigrants who sleep in parks.

No, that's what this article is calling for. The complain they have is that DHH called for deporting the entire ethnic group independent of whether they're sleeping in parks.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#95
post #30

I think the author is taking umbrage with DHH using the word "gypsies" where it might have been "junkies" or just "homeless". I see it in Berlin, rise of agressive, smelly begging in U-Bahn (I witnessed a beggar actually attacking passengers, hitting a woman). People walking around having fully shit their pants. This, I presume, is tolerated in the name of individualism, that the individual is free to choose how they…

“Gypsies” are a race of people. “Junkies” and homeless people are, at an individual level, not.

Homeless people and drug addicts may well be victims of circumstance or victims of society depending on your point view - or even victims of their own choices or actions - but there’s a difference between saying “this race of people is problematic” and “this class of people is problematic”.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#96

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

Something I was told when started building in fintech was that the laws are in such a way that its impossible to be 100% compliant in every interpretation.

The law is huge, complex and can often have conflicting aspects.

This is assumed by some to be "by design". When the law is such that everyone is breaking it, then the power shifts to whoever can bring people in "front of the law".

So, in every case with strong beliefs such as yours, IMMV and it's easy to voice an opinion when you feel "not in target".

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#97

Sigh. While every wolf may be a predator - that does not necessarily mean they are they are dangerous to all potential types of prey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Cry_Wolf

Isn't prey by definition in danger. If you honestly believe what you're saying you're going to have a REALLY BAD TIME in the wild.

Depends on the environment - in that book for example, Arctic wolves were not the cause of large (in physical size - the caribou) prey animal population decline, even though the "feelings" of the average person was that they must be the reason.

Outside of fiction, wolves are not ravenous beasts that hunt everything and anything in sight.

Predators do tend to go for the weak/sick, older or younger/inexperienced targets - they aren't stupid.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#98
post #57

This whole article seems like a straw man. Chad seems to be arguing: 1. DHH thinks all gypsies are bad, therefor 2. DHH does not see Roma as individual people, therefor 3. DHH is a bad person. I read DHH's blog as: 1. It should still be illegal to camp in parks, therefor 2. People who do camp in parks should be housed, therefor 3. Foreigners who refuse housing should be deported.

I don't even know where to begin with this comment...

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#99

Hey is the only way I can have a public, usable email account anymore. I maintain a self-hosted whitelist-only email account for sensitive work but email for other purposes just isn't tenable anymore. If someone else comes along with a better product maybe I'll consider it.

I like Fastmail

Re: Canceling "Hey"

#100
post #16

I live in Oakland. Something I've noticed in a lot of the "THE CITY IS GOING TO HELL" commentary is that often people are pointing at visual symptoms - a homeless encampment, graffiti - as a proxy for "things are bad," and it doesn't take a lot of pulling on that thread before you get to "well just look at them," and it's real hard to cast that one in a "race-neutral" way. I've heard people complaining about hot dog…

I've lived in east coast cities (NYC, Boston, and Philadelphia) for the majority of my adult life and while homelessness is less of a problem in the northeast because of the climate there is still a good amount of it in the major cities. I think it becomes way too easy to tune out those commentaries and avoid the parts of the city that they apply to.

In Philadelphia, I lived a few blocks away from the Girard stop on the L train. I would just avoid walking by the station because it was a hang out for homeless people and drug users in the area. Pretty much everywhere within a 10 block radius of the station is built up, there's always people out, and it feels like all of the local businesses in the area are thriving (more recently there's been too many chains opening up which sucks but I digress), there's barely any homelessness or crime with the exception of package thieves (I just bought a $20 box off amazon to put in front of my house and never had a problem) and the occasional car window being smashed.

In NYC, especially Manhattan although the same applies to the outer boroughs, unless you live around a more touristy area then you don't even think about it. In Boston even less so besides downtown.

I don't think trying to contain people to specific areas is a good solution. There's obviously a greater social issue across the US and other developed nations and it's a very hard problem to start solving, but I would guess that most cities continue to ignore it as long as its easy for the majority of the population to ignore it.

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