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Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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I'm so tired of this shallow analysis claiming vendors are losing tons of money on subscriptions. How do you even judge that?

Users go on vacation, they slack off, they spend the day talking to each other. There are very few people who are really effective at burning tokens. how do you know the ratio? do you have insides? No :)

The biggest target is enterprise, and the economics for an LLM vendor look like this: price per token = R&D + inference + infra investments. When you buy a subscription, you are quite often buying a year ahead. That lets the vendor predict future infra investments against hard commitments, and sell expensive per token pricing to everyone else. And when a hard commitment sits unused because the user is busy, they sell it twice. It is loyalty in exchange for predictability, in exchange for the promise to always deliver SOTA to users.

Vendors control the harness. Tomorrow they simply roll out a router where reading the code and doing the final edits goes to a cheaper model, and their math suddenly becomes very sexy.

Isn't that hard to predict that their economic model is very easy to tune? and this is just first baby steps.

I personally pay per token ( do not have subs for work ). I did have once a $25k/mo worth of tokens, since i knew it was free so i was doing crazy experiments. Now , 2 month later, my bill was barely $1.5k since i moved into different stage with project. I do have team members who burn $500-600. pre router, pre optimization.

I switched recently to grok 4.5 and cursor router and my bill will go even further down. It rotates 4-5 different vendor models cheap and expensive too, depends on the task. Routers will flip entire LLM economy upside down.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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post #3

I'm so tired of this shallow analysis claiming vendors are losing tons of money on subscriptions. How do you even judge that? Users go on vacation, they slack off, they spend the day talking to each other. There are very few people who are really effective at burning tokens. how do you know the ratio? do you have insides? No :) The biggest target is enterprise, and the economics for an LLM vendor look like this: pric…

Doesn't sound like you've read any of Zitron's analysis

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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>At their very core, Large Language Models' costs run contrary to basically every model of selling software.

>Consumers and enterprises alike have been trained to pay a monthly fee for a service, and while these services might have limits or strictures, basically nobody buying software expects to have a metered service, let alone one that's both metered and with hard to measure costs.

Has Ed Zitron not heard about the cloud? Unpredictable AWS bills?

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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post #3

I'm so tired of this shallow analysis claiming vendors are losing tons of money on subscriptions. How do you even judge that? Users go on vacation, they slack off, they spend the day talking to each other. There are very few people who are really effective at burning tokens. how do you know the ratio? do you have insides? No :) The biggest target is enterprise, and the economics for an LLM vendor look like this: pric…

It's fascinating that you simultaneously argue that margins will expand... while posting about personal behavior all of which points toward commoditization and intense price competition.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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post #3

I'm so tired of this shallow analysis claiming vendors are losing tons of money on subscriptions. How do you even judge that? Users go on vacation, they slack off, they spend the day talking to each other. There are very few people who are really effective at burning tokens. how do you know the ratio? do you have insides? No :) The biggest target is enterprise, and the economics for an LLM vendor look like this: pric…

I think Ed's argument is that given the infra investment the revenue won't be enough to pay back the original investors. In fact cheaper models make this worse for them. Who cares about the investors? Well it turns out the infra was financed in large part by debt that was securitized and a bunch of regarded investors that bought the debt looking for higher returns will be taking a huge haircut when the bubble pops. The amount of securitized debt is roughly the same as the mortgage backed securities back on 2007, ergo the prediction is a big recession.

What's unclear to me is if this is a systemic issue that's going to cause credit to freeze up but imo the opacity of the shadow banking "system" does not help here. If you see one cockroach, etc.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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>At their very core, Large Language Models' costs run contrary to basically every model of selling software. >Consumers and enterprises alike have been trained to pay a monthly fee for a service, and while these services might have limits or strictures, basically nobody buying software expects to have a metered service, let alone one that's both metered and with hard to measure costs. Has Ed Zitron not heard about th…

Enterprise certainly wouldn't fit. This argument seems to be targeted at the consumer market, which Apple deals in. Consumers are not paying varying Disney+ subscription prices based on how much they watch. So many points are still interesting. Though, I'm not convinced the consumer market is the primary target for AI firms.

Re: Apple Will 'Watch Everything Burn' When the AI Bubble Bursts

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I don't know if Ed Zitron is right about allhis analysis, but it's nice to have an alternative, well-argued narrative to the gushing torrent of AI company propaganda.

Is it though? He's more of a gushing torrent of anti-AI propaganda. He has an agenda too, it's just the opposite one.
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