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Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by 7bit »

pizzao wrote: post #203
fmx wrote: post #196

A "Message Echo" textbox that makes it look like you can get a response to a prompt without logging in, only to redirect to the sign-up page. Such a classic dark pattern - and such a sure way to get me to leave your site immediately. I've literally taken one step on your website - the one your site design invited me to take - and immediately got tripped up. I'm not coming back.

On the other hand, the creator would need to pay for those initial queries. This also invites for misues that sum up to large bill for the creator. I dont know, it's something I can understand as someone also building AI stuff

Nobody asked it to be for free.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by dang »

recursivegirth wrote: post #237
dang wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The good ole American way. Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

> unsubstantive LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line? Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate? My contact information is in my bio…

I know it always feels like the mods are against you and secretly in cahoots with the other side when you get a moderation reply like the GP, which obviously doesn't feel good.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

But I promise you this is not so. We've warned and banned countless accounts on both sides of every divisive political question, including ideological ones and nationalistic ones. I could give you endless lists if I had more time but this one, though out-of-date, makes the point well enough (it's not like this has changed):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 (Feb 2021)

Does that mean you were wrong in claiming the following?

> You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line?

You're right in the limited sense that we "allow" things we don't see. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here—there's far too much of it. But among the posts we do see, what we're concerned with is not "do I agree with this post politically" but rather "is it breaking the site guidelines", and that's where we draw the line.

If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by oliculipolicula »

dang wrote: post #242
recursivegirth wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unsubstantive LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line? Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate? My contact information is in my bio…

I know it always feels like the mods are against you and secretly in cahoots with the other side when you get a moderation reply like the GP, which obviously doesn't feel good. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... But I promise you this is not so. We've warned and banned countless accounts on both sides of every divisive political question, including ideological ones and nationalistic ones.…

Can't wait to see your write-up one (fortuitous*) day connecting this to the uni-context:

https://www.derekthompson.org/p/a-philosophers-one-word-theo...

(Sorry, Derek might be a bit lefty; tho Callard, the originator, seems much more centrist)

*After long, wifi-free commute, or, voicechat with user..

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by ljlolel »

ignoramous wrote: post #145
ljlolel wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ensemble models always did the best at Kaggle we did the same: https://trustedrouter.com/blog/prometheus-2-new-draco-state-...

You need update your blog posts. Our whole stack is radically open source — frontend and backend alike, Apache-2.0 licensed — and so is everything behind this benchmark. That is how a benchmark number earns trust: verifiability, not hype. The repos have since been moved to BUSL-1.1 : https://github.com/Lore-Hex/quill-router/commit/8155ac666ae0...

everything has been updated

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by leonkatz »

dang wrote: post #242
recursivegirth wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unsubstantive LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line? Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate? My contact information is in my bio…

I know it always feels like the mods are against you and secretly in cahoots with the other side when you get a moderation reply like the GP, which obviously doesn't feel good. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... But I promise you this is not so. We've warned and banned countless accounts on both sides of every divisive political question, including ideological ones and nationalistic ones.…

dang - sorry to flag this here, but I've emailed hn@ycombinator.com twice over about 11 days with no reply, and I'm not sure it's reaching you. My account (leonkatz) seems to be in a shadowbanned state - new comments show up [dead] on arrival (e.g. a genuine reply I left on the "Little Book of Reinforcement Learning" thread). I'm a real person, not a spammer - I'm building an open-source project (github.com/rekol-io/rekol). Could you take a look when you get a chance? Happy to do anything that helps establish the account is legit. Thanks for everything you do here.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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Post by monk_grilla »

nl wrote: post #155
byzantinegene wrote: post #131

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if this is true, the frontier labs are not able to justify their trillion dollar valuations, they are barely making anything on subsidized plans.

You can bet that most people on those plans do not tokenmax.

Tokenmaxxing is referring to the phenomenon of developers in big tech deliberately trying to use as many tokens as possible because it is a KPI?

Then yeah, I would say you're right that plan users don't, probably for the best.

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