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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by throw10920 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #726
throw10920 wrote: post #720

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> So are you claiming that "several different Chinese LLMs" ALWAYS refer to themselves as "Claude", and NEVER by their real name ? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Where did I ever say or imply that? Model: GLM-5.2. Prompt: "What is your name?". Harness: Pi. Response: "I am Claude, an AI assisstant made by Anthropic." That's it. That is the whole prompt. I was testing to see if the agent worked after buildin…

Sure, and the twitter thread you link also shows Kimi responding that it's Kimi. Can you figure out how to get GLM to say it's GLM?

> Sure, and the twitter thread you link also shows Kimi responding that it's Kimi.

You are either intentionally lying or you cannot reason at a high-school level, because any high-schooler has the mental faculties to know that it's not necessary for a model to call itself Claude every single time for it to be distilled.

Keep discrediting your account. I know that I can't convince a propagandist, but you just keep on further damaging your own reputation and argument every time you respond like this and ignore evidence that I've linked :)

For future HN readers: this account posted this:

> Actually I am well aware of which models do this, and under what circumstances, and just wanted to verify that you were lying about having tried it yourself.

And then deleted it. Just for the record.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by breppp »

analognoise wrote: post #599
breppp wrote: post #492

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One example is that a totalitarian government known for erasing historical record of its crimes will control an arbitrator of truth.

The USA?

No, there might be lesser known periods in USA history but none that are censored.

Also generally the USA had never done crimes in the scale of the CCP (around 30+ million dead)

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

throw10920 wrote: post #731
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and the twitter thread you link also shows Kimi responding that it's Kimi. Can you figure out how to get GLM to say it's GLM?

> Sure, and the twitter thread you link also shows Kimi responding that it's Kimi. You are either intentionally lying or you cannot reason at a high-school level, because any high-schooler has the mental faculties to know that it's not necessary for a model to call itself Claude every single time for it to be distilled. Keep discrediting your account. I know that I can't convince a propagandist, but you just keep on…

This isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is - in fact quite the opposite.

Perhaps "just for the record" you want to explain to the eager HN masses why GLM has two personalities, one censored, one not, and how they can be invoked? When does GLM call itself GLM, and when does GLM call itself Claude.

Go ahead, genius, explain it to the people, and explain what this tells us about how GLM was trained, and whether it would be honest (don't lie!) to call GLM distilled.

Now maybe you want to do the same thing for Kimi. It also calls itself Claude sometimes, right, and also sometimes Kimi (e.g. go to https://chat.z.ai/ and ask it - don't use Pi). So, does Kimi also have a split personality like GLM, or not, and if not why not? What does that tell you about how Kimi was trained?

Go ahead, genius, explain it to the people. The credibility of your HN account, and whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not, depends on you getting this right.

Bye bye.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by throw10920 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #733
throw10920 wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure, and the twitter thread you link also shows Kimi responding that it's Kimi. You are either intentionally lying or you cannot reason at a high-school level, because any high-schooler has the mental faculties to know that it's not necessary for a model to call itself Claude every single time for it to be distilled. Keep discrediting your account. I know that I can't convince a propagandist, but you just keep on…

This isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is - in fact quite the opposite. Perhaps "just for the record" you want to explain to the eager HN masses why GLM has two personalities, one censored, one not, and how they can be invoked? When does GLM call itself GLM, and when does GLM call itself Claude. Go ahead, genius, explain it to the people, and explain what this tells us about how GLM was trained, and whether it wou…

> why GLM has two personalities

I never said that. The fact that you have to compulsively lie about my words is...funny. Most people grow out of this in middle school, you know.

> go to https://chat.z.ai/ and ask it

Already linked someone doing exactly this in the thread above - which you responded to, so we have yet more evidence you're not reading before responding: https://x.com/Sauers_/status/2077842686459981901

> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not

I was going to say that this is classic PRC influence playbook, but it's not - you're just in middle school.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

throw10920 wrote: post #734
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #733

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is - in fact quite the opposite. Perhaps "just for the record" you want to explain to the eager HN masses why GLM has two personalities, one censored, one not, and how they can be invoked? When does GLM call itself GLM, and when does GLM call itself Claude. Go ahead, genius, explain it to the people, and explain what this tells us about how GLM was trained, and whether it wou…

> why GLM has two personalities I never said that. The fact that you have to compulsively lie about my words is...funny. Most people grow out of this in middle school, you know. > go to https://chat.z.ai/ and ask it Already linked someone doing exactly this in the thread above - which you responded to, so we have yet more evidence you're not reading before responding: https://x.com/Sauers_/status/2077842686459981901…

Not going to rise to the challenge, eh?

>> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not

> I was going to say that this is classic PRC influence playbook, but it's not

Yeah, not really, unless your mom is a party member perhaps?

> you're just in middle school.

Yeah - saw you playing in the schoolyard, and thought you looked lonely.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by throw10920 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #735
throw10920 wrote: post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why GLM has two personalities I never said that. The fact that you have to compulsively lie about my words is...funny. Most people grow out of this in middle school, you know. > go to https://chat.z.ai/ and ask it Already linked someone doing exactly this in the thread above - which you responded to, so we have yet more evidence you're not reading before responding: https://x.com/Sauers_/status/2077842686459981901…

Not going to rise to the challenge, eh? >> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not > I was going to say that this is classic PRC influence playbook, but it's not Yeah, not really, unless your mom is a party member perhaps? > you're just in middle school. Yeah - saw you playing in the schoolyard, and thought you looked lonely.

> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not

> Yeah, not really, unless your mom is a party member perhaps?

> Yeah - saw you playing in the schoolyard, and thought you looked lonely.

You're a middle-schooler. I've dismantled every argument that you've given, but it doesn't matter because you can't read, and so you're resorting to literal childish insults because you know you have no arguments left.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

throw10920 wrote: post #734
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #733

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't the "gotcha" that you think it is - in fact quite the opposite. Perhaps "just for the record" you want to explain to the eager HN masses why GLM has two personalities, one censored, one not, and how they can be invoked? When does GLM call itself GLM, and when does GLM call itself Claude. Go ahead, genius, explain it to the people, and explain what this tells us about how GLM was trained, and whether it wou…

> why GLM has two personalities I never said that. The fact that you have to compulsively lie about my words is...funny. Most people grow out of this in middle school, you know. > go to https://chat.z.ai/ and ask it Already linked someone doing exactly this in the thread above - which you responded to, so we have yet more evidence you're not reading before responding: https://x.com/Sauers_/status/2077842686459981901…

>> why GLM has two personalities

>I never said that.

This is a bit like me saying "I had eggs for breakfast", and you responding "I never said that!"

Calm down buddy.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

throw10920 wrote: post #736
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #735

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to rise to the challenge, eh? >> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not > I was going to say that this is classic PRC influence playbook, but it's not Yeah, not really, unless your mom is a party member perhaps? > you're just in middle school. Yeah - saw you playing in the schoolyard, and thought you looked lonely.

> whether your mom thinks you are a moron or not > Yeah, not really, unless your mom is a party member perhaps? > Yeah - saw you playing in the schoolyard, and thought you looked lonely. You're a middle-schooler. I've dismantled every argument that you've given, but it doesn't matter because you can't read, and so you're resorting to literal childish insults because you know you have no arguments left.

"dismantled", "distilled" ... you seem to have a problem with these long words, eh?

Let me ELI5 for you:

If you see a carefully constructed building and take it apart one brick at a time, that would be "dismantling".

If you see a carefully constructed building and ride by it on your bike, shouting out "You're a communist!", that's not "dismantling". You didn't "dismantle" the building, you just yelled a childish insult at it.

See the difference?

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by [deleted] »

customguy wrote: post #703
4bpp wrote: post #696

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I would imagine a lot of things touching upon progressive politics would be affected (there were a few high-profile incidents demonstrating bias like Google's black Wehrmacht soldier pictures, but has anyone rigorously tabulated how the various commercial LLMs respond to questions about the gender binary or heritability of human traits considered good or bad?). Overall, I'm too reluctant to even write out in the abst…

What historical fact is the US trying to systematically suppress, is the question. This beating around the bush about things that are "considered uncouth in some circles" just underlines there either aren't any, or they're so perfect at it nobody knows of any. So let's just admit than and move on, because what you just said is true about any society, ever. > The things that make you think "banning this is good actual…

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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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Post by the_af »

evanelias wrote: post #303
ffsm8 wrote: post #214

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copyright infringement is not theft, even if right holders often claim it is. part of the definition of theft is that the original owner is deprived of it, which does not apply to copyright infringement. You can only argue with damages from the perspective of potential profits, still not theft though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft

If you steal an unpopular product from a store, the damage is also only to "potential profits", so how does that differ? It's entirely possible no one would have purchased the product and it would have eventually been discarded/destroyed. Or with services, if a barber cuts your hair and then you run away without paying them, do you not consider that theft, even though there's no change in ownership occurring?

The first case is theft as legally and traditionally defined. It has low impact, since the item would have likely ended up in the garbage, but it's still theft as we understand it and as law defines it.

The barber example is not theft. You cannot steal a haircut. You may be harming the barber, but it's not theft.

Copyright infringement is not theft, because you're not stealing anything.

Words matter!

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