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Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tw04 »

negamax wrote: post #20
tw04 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing it to fire isn’t really an apt comparison. You developed the nuclear bomb. Would you give free access to every human on the planet to do with it as they see fit? Or would you demand responsible guardrails from the start? AI companies want it both ways. This will both redefine humanity as we know it, but also nobody should try to enforce any guardrails. Why? Because it might hurt profits. Either it’s snake o…

Nuclear wasn't governed until the destruction was seen. There's no reason to believe AI wouldn't follow a similar path

The bomb was literally developed under a top secret program, and they didn’t hand out functioning bombs to the general public at any point in time before “the destruction was seen”.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tmtvl »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #7

I am outraged to find gambling in this casino! What sort of ethics bubble was the author living in to believe that Google was anything but solely focused on achieving shareholder value?

Agreed: expecting Alphabet not to do the evil greedy thing is like expecting a lion to become a vegetarian, it just isn't going to happen.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tdb7893 »

I'll always support someone taking a personal stand about what they can or cannot do. Ethical issues always invite the most criticism but my experience is that it's rare for anyone to really give anything up for their ethics (this person likely has money saved up and will land on their feet but even this situation is more than most people would do).

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by negamax »

tw04 wrote: post #21
negamax wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuclear wasn't governed until the destruction was seen. There's no reason to believe AI wouldn't follow a similar path

The bomb was literally developed under a top secret program, and they didn’t hand out functioning bombs to the general public at any point in time before “the destruction was seen”.

It was created at wartime. Not as a civilian project. Developed as a weapon. And other countries were developing nuclear weapons as science of it was never a secret

Destruction display did caused the governments to come together and build frameworks and structures to avoid the repeat of it

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by cloudie78 »

Wait, only now you realised that the “do no evil” meant jack shit?

How blind and ignorant really are you?

Let me attempt to save you from another horrifying realisation: it has hardly anything do with who’s in the office right now.

The horrors and evil will persist.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tw04 »

negamax wrote: post #24
tw04 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bomb was literally developed under a top secret program, and they didn’t hand out functioning bombs to the general public at any point in time before “the destruction was seen”.

It was created at wartime. Not as a civilian project. Developed as a weapon. And other countries were developing nuclear weapons as science of it was never a secret Destruction display did caused the governments to come together and build frameworks and structures to avoid the repeat of it

Which again, is completely different than giving access to every human being on the planet, then trying to figure out how to regulate it later.

Out of the gate access was restricted to government use, and a limited subset of governments at that. There was never a point in time it was handed out to any private citizen to do with as they pleased.

As for “we haven’t seen the destruction yet” - huh? Between the proliferation of hacks utilizing AI and drone warfare in ukraine we’ve ABSOLUTELY seen the destruction already.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by golly_ned »

1-6 wrote: post #26

The virtue signaling is too much on this article. It could have been a well-written piece, but they had to make it about moral grandstanding.

Any case where someone takes a moral position is now called "virtue signaling" and "grandstanding."
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