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Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by brokenparser »

sk5t wrote: post #18

As probably one of the more AD-focused participants on HN, I have to approach this with a good dose of skepticism w.r.t. large companies adopting Samba for complex AD environments. AD + DFSN + (DFSR|NTFRS) + LDAP + SSL + RPC + NTP + GPO + CIFS + NTFS + SDDL + WMI + ADWS + etc., is an extremely complex set of stuff to implement, and the cost of supporting a third-party version could, IMHO, easily dwarf the cost of a f…

Rsyslog is way beyond Windows Event Logger. Audit trails should still work but I don't know if your GPO maps to server configuration automatically. It's easy to test, though. If you want to get started with Samba quickly, you can use Zentyal.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by obituary_latte »

Well, if the current version is any indication...

Fortuitously for this article, I've spent the entire day today trying to get samba sharing with AD. Oh, NT_USER_NOT_PERMITTED? Bbbut, the user is there; I even have it working on another server!

I'm sure it's my fault, but still, as of this moment, I hate samba more than almost everything.

At any rate, congrats.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by sk5t »

tptacek wrote: post #19
sk5t wrote: post #18

As probably one of the more AD-focused participants on HN, I have to approach this with a good dose of skepticism w.r.t. large companies adopting Samba for complex AD environments. AD + DFSN + (DFSR|NTFRS) + LDAP + SSL + RPC + NTP + GPO + CIFS + NTFS + SDDL + WMI + ADWS + etc., is an extremely complex set of stuff to implement, and the cost of supporting a third-party version could, IMHO, easily dwarf the cost of a f…

... and if you have enough control over your environment to replace Windows Server as a domain controller, why would you be using the AD stack to begin with?

Aye, if one has that much motivation to chuck Windows for AD, then it's only logical that Windows on the desktop, Exchange, etc., are not on the scene.

I've done a lot of work with other directory servers too, and AD does the best job of any when it comes to multimaster replication and a few other things. However, using it purely for LDAP for an environment full of Linux and OS X machines is a tough call...

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by josteink »

josemariaruiz wrote: post #12
jmspring wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"free, as in cheap" does not apply in the case of an existing infrastructure with staff already trained on using the deployed (AD) system.

Can you imagine offering a fully scalable AD online? Having access to the code you can start doing things that Microsoft never allowed you to do ;) (Google Docs is, as far as I know, OpenOffice for example)

Google Docs is, as far as I know, OpenOffice

I've never heard about this before, and if true, would be really interested in knowing more about the story behind this.

Got some choice links?

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by sk5t »

brokenparser wrote: post #21
sk5t wrote: post #18

As probably one of the more AD-focused participants on HN, I have to approach this with a good dose of skepticism w.r.t. large companies adopting Samba for complex AD environments. AD + DFSN + (DFSR|NTFRS) + LDAP + SSL + RPC + NTP + GPO + CIFS + NTFS + SDDL + WMI + ADWS + etc., is an extremely complex set of stuff to implement, and the cost of supporting a third-party version could, IMHO, easily dwarf the cost of a f…

Rsyslog is way beyond Windows Event Logger. Audit trails should still work but I don't know if your GPO maps to server configuration automatically. It's easy to test, though. If you want to get started with Samba quickly, you can use Zentyal.

I didn't mean to say that the Windows Event Log is better than syslog or Rsyslog, but it has a particular structure that is really dissimilar, as well as access patterns (WMI, WinRM) that lack an analog.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by bennysaurus »

axusgrad wrote: post #17
vy8vWJlco wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never underestimate the power of "free, as in cheap." :)

How are the GUIs for Samba 4.0 AD features? I usually prefer nice configuration files, but the Windows Server features were very easy to learn. Another nice thing about Windows Server, updates are "free" after a high up-front cost.

The windows ones apparently work with this version of Samba.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by mrb »

polarix wrote: post #22

Last time I tried to use Samba 4, earlier this year, most of the config directives I was trying to use weren't supported. Has that changed?

Yes. Except the one you had on line 42.

Seriously, how do you expect someone to give you a useful reply?

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by rufugee »

sk5t wrote: post #18

As probably one of the more AD-focused participants on HN, I have to approach this with a good dose of skepticism w.r.t. large companies adopting Samba for complex AD environments. AD + DFSN + (DFSR|NTFRS) + LDAP + SSL + RPC + NTP + GPO + CIFS + NTFS + SDDL + WMI + ADWS + etc., is an extremely complex set of stuff to implement, and the cost of supporting a third-party version could, IMHO, easily dwarf the cost of a f…

It's not the cost of a few domain controllers...it's the $50-60/user cost of client access license (CALS). I have 2500 users...that's quite a pricey (approx. $62K) system for directory services.

I personally am going to give Samba 4 a look.

Re: Samba 4.0 released

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Post by glomph »

josemariaruiz wrote: post #12
jmspring wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"free, as in cheap" does not apply in the case of an existing infrastructure with staff already trained on using the deployed (AD) system.

Can you imagine offering a fully scalable AD online? Having access to the code you can start doing things that Microsoft never allowed you to do ;) (Google Docs is, as far as I know, OpenOffice for example)

Google Docs has no relation to OpenOffice iirc. The word processor came from writely and the spreadsheets was some other company's source code, the rest was just extensions on that.
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