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Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#11

Post by Ygg2 »

pjmlp wrote: post #9
readthenotes1 wrote: post #7

I am outraged to find gambling in this casino! What sort of ethics bubble was the author living in to believe that Google was anything but solely focused on achieving shareholder value?

The same that believes in HR marketing like Do No Evil.

Pretty sure they ditched that motto long time ago.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#15

Post by andriy_koval »

Ygg2 wrote: post #11
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same that believes in HR marketing like Do No Evil.

Pretty sure they ditched that motto long time ago.

Still there:

And remember... don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!

https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of...

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#16

Post by tw04 »

negamax wrote: post #5

You (the org) brought fire to the masses. How that fire is used (to build or burn the cities) is not for you do decide Stand by and share your ethics concern. But this isn't misalignment. A lot of AI use cases will be constraint/reigned in through governance evolution at every scale

Comparing it to fire isn’t really an apt comparison.

You developed the nuclear bomb. Would you give free access to every human on the planet to do with it as they see fit? Or would you demand responsible guardrails from the start?

AI companies want it both ways. This will both redefine humanity as we know it, but also nobody should try to enforce any guardrails. Why? Because it might hurt profits.

Either it’s snake oil and not as revolutionary as claimed, or people should be facing prison time for trying to claim “I just invented it and gave everyone access, I can’t be held responsible for what happens next”.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#17

Post by skew-aberration »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #7

I am outraged to find gambling in this casino! What sort of ethics bubble was the author living in to believe that Google was anything but solely focused on achieving shareholder value?

Not only that but his outrage is narrowly focused on contemporary US politics. Billions of people access food, shelter, medicine, education, etc, only by the rapidly diminishing leverage their labor provides (or doesn't provide) them. These people presumably never so much as picked up a book, or evenly briefly entertained a thought about a person outside their own immediate social circle.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#19

Post by hmokiguess »

However way people that are deep into the cog wake up I support it. Once the truth was seen you didn't bend and stood by your principles, it must have been very challenging to navigate that from the inside with your entire identity tied to and associated to the thing you ended up growing out from. Appreciate you, welcome to your new life. May you find peace and continue to do good work next.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#20

Post by negamax »

tw04 wrote: post #16
negamax wrote: post #5

You (the org) brought fire to the masses. How that fire is used (to build or burn the cities) is not for you do decide Stand by and share your ethics concern. But this isn't misalignment. A lot of AI use cases will be constraint/reigned in through governance evolution at every scale

Comparing it to fire isn’t really an apt comparison. You developed the nuclear bomb. Would you give free access to every human on the planet to do with it as they see fit? Or would you demand responsible guardrails from the start? AI companies want it both ways. This will both redefine humanity as we know it, but also nobody should try to enforce any guardrails. Why? Because it might hurt profits. Either it’s snake o…

Nuclear wasn't governed until the destruction was seen. There's no reason to believe AI wouldn't follow a similar path
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