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Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by preg_match »

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preg_match wrote: post #927

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I am sorry that you live in so much fear and anger. You have already been beaten.

There is no fear or anger. You've completely run out of arguments so you're resorting to plan B: make me out to be a crazy person. Because then, you're allowed to ignore crazy people.

Everything I am stating is fact. These things do happen, and when no accountability is taken, we call that "allowed to happen". They are allowed to happen, any reasonable person will agree.

You can be intellectually lazy and decide to plug your ears and go "lalala not listening!". That's fine, that's your choice. Just know that any reasonable person will look at that and realize you are not a critical thinker, and they will move on.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by tcmart14 »

smitty1110 wrote: post #800
tcmart14 wrote: post #773

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Outside of a few boarder disputes with India, I don't China has militarily attacked anyone since they got their ass handed to them by Vietnam (Sino-Vietnamese War 1979). So I think that rules out China.

The Philippines have some news for you…

Looked this up. Happy to learn something. They have confrontations that mostly result in harassing each other with water cannons and dangerous water moves. Massively different than military actions like land invasions, bombings, etc. I'd put it in the bucket as border disputes with India. They are isolated incidences but they are not larger aggressive military actions.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by fisheuler »

DanielHB wrote: post #910
WarmWash wrote: post #683

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>Agree, China believes in Climate change and are at least taking steps to address it. China brought 80GW of new coal power online last year. The US added 0, and plans to add 3GW next year (we all know why). China doesn't care about climate change, they care about energy independence, and conveniently have very little natural fossil fuels besides coal. Which they heavily mine and utilize.

The new coal plants are not planned to run a full capacity (or at all) they are meant for backup in case of environmental disaster and geopolitics (war, sanctions, tariffs, etc). So the actual amount of coal being burned is still going down. Although it is highly suspicious why they are building so much unused capacity, it is as if they expect something to happen soon.

We have a very top level strategy design and plan to make safety of our energy supply chains, I can even tell that in my hometwon we also designed and implementated a Pumped-storage hydroelectricity power station in the inner part of China.

Also suggest a very good book which details our past decades hard work on energy saftey design: 筚路蓝缕 世纪工程决策建设记述 (Blazing a Trail: How China Decided and Built Its "Projects of the Century")

Book Link: https://book.douban.com/subject/30348776/ 9 out of 10 score for this book.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by fisheuler »

fisheuler wrote: post #953
DanielHB wrote: post #910

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The new coal plants are not planned to run a full capacity (or at all) they are meant for backup in case of environmental disaster and geopolitics (war, sanctions, tariffs, etc). So the actual amount of coal being burned is still going down. Although it is highly suspicious why they are building so much unused capacity, it is as if they expect something to happen soon.

We have a very top level strategy design and plan to make safety of our energy supply chains, I can even tell that in my hometwon we also designed and implementated a Pumped-storage hydroelectricity power station in the inner part of China. Also suggest a very good book which details our past decades hard work on energy saftey design: 筚路蓝缕 世纪工程决策建设记述 (Blazing a Trail: How China Decided and Built Its "Projects of the…

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Post by Denkel »

hetman wrote: post #942
inigyou wrote: post #518

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If being ruled by an authoritarian regime is the problem, then wouldn't both Chinese and American models be problematic? European models too, if they had any.

I don't think you'll understand what authoritarian means until you try moving to China and then criticising their government. For those of us who have lived under authoritarian regimes, it's an absolute travesty to see how diluted the meaning of this term has become.

This is from this year: https://www.democracynow.org/2026/6/25/prairieland_nine

Year 2 of Trump's regime, how will things be in year 14? Do you think there would be much difference from China? They are both authoritarian governments, the only difference is how much they actually control, China just had more time, give it to USA and won't be any different.

PS: I am pretty sure black people and now trans people in US know very well how you felt living under authoritarian regimes..

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Post by Denkel »

burnerRhodov3 wrote: post #882
mynameisbilly wrote: post #851

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The United States has propped up some pretty horrific, murderous, bloodthirsty regimes over the past century to ensure they maintain a proxy presence across the globe. If supporting or engaging in an "authoritarian" regime is your litmus test, then the United States fails resoundingly.

The unfortunate concequence of "rebellion", is sometimes those regimes go on to be just as bad as the previous regime. You're playing captain hiehnsight here... intent matters in these things.

The fact that the USA only helps right wing "rebellions" is pure luck, right? Those regimes weren't "as bad as the previous regime" as unexpected result, those resulta were exactly what the US expected.

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Post by aa-jv »

girvo wrote: post #945
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The USA has far more innocent blood on its hands, this century , than any other nation state. And only nationalist/racists ignore the fact that China has lifted a billion people out of poverty during the same period that the USA and its allies have destroyed countless other sovereign nations and left 36 million refugees from their illegal wars for the world to deal with... China has a lot, lot better record on human…

If you want to talk about this century and human rights, then you better look inwards. You're obviously a nationalist yourself, accusation in a mirror as is typical.

I am absolutely not a nationalist, and yes I do hold my birth nation accountable for its crimes against humanity.

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Post by hetman »

Denkel wrote: post #955
hetman wrote: post #942

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I don't think you'll understand what authoritarian means until you try moving to China and then criticising their government. For those of us who have lived under authoritarian regimes, it's an absolute travesty to see how diluted the meaning of this term has become.

This is from this year: https://www.democracynow.org/2026/6/25/prairieland_nine Year 2 of Trump's regime, how will things be in year 14? Do you think there would be much difference from China? They are both authoritarian governments, the only difference is how much they actually control, China just had more time, give it to USA and won't be any different. PS: I am pretty sure black people and now trans people in US k…

Trans and black people in the US are disappeared for speaking critically of their government? This level of hyperbole is dangerous for those who employ it; cf. the boy who cried wolf.

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Post by ralferoo »

sarchertech wrote: post #605
ralferoo wrote: post #599

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"big number bad" isn't a great way of analysing the data, because China has a massively larger population. The US emits 49% more CO2 per capita than China. And even with the much larger rate of increase, 0.79% to US' 0.3%, it'll still require 81 years to catch up to the US per capita rate [0]. The US aren't the good guys here, not by any means. Compared to my country, for instance, the US' emissions are 3x per capita…

In absolute numbers China produces 1/3 of the total worlds CO2, and they are still growing the amount of CO2 they are producing. That is not the actions of a country who “believes in climate change”. China’s CO2 per capita is ahead of every large developed country except for the US, Australia, and Russia.

A few days late for the discussion, but I just happened to watch an interesting youtube video today [1] which seemed worth sharing.

A summary of some of the points early in the video: in 2025, China added 300GW of solar and 100GW of wind power. In comparison, between 2015 and 2014 China added a total of 78GW of coal power capacity, and for 2025 onwards an additional 161GW has been proposed or reactivated. So, clearly just one year of additional renewables capacity far exceeds the additional coal capacity over multiple years.

Around 5:25, the video then talks about the difference between capacity (maximum possible power) and generation (the amount actually produced) and another chart at 5:52 shows that even though capacity has increased by 6% from 2024 to 2025, actual coal power generation decreased by 1.2% over the same timeframe. So even though the headline is that China is building more coal power stations, in practice they're to cover peak load and to provide energy security and the actual energy production (and hence) emissions is decreasing. FWIW, the same chart shows a similar global trend.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qde4r4_uMU0

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #893
speedstyle wrote: post #764

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They commissioned 78 GW of new capacity in 2025, but actual coal-fired generation fell slightly (by 90 TWh, ie 10 GW). It might rise again, but it's expected to peak by 2027–28. And of course they added 440 GW of renewable capacity, 64% of global installations. I certainly agree there's other motives (renewables even net them significant trade, like EVs) but it's not as though 'caring about' climate impacts requires…

Woah, I am blown away by these numbers. I did some research using ChatGPT. A coal power plant called Guoneng Qingyuan Power Station is 4GW in total size. (It added 2GW of capacity last year.) Normally, 1GW is considered a large coal power plant by itself. This is a massive plant! Geolocated here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/24%C2%B024'57.0%22N+113%C2... I asked ChatGPT how many coal train cars are required per…

Don’t worry I believe AI will figure out how to get fusion energy working any day now and we won’t need these coal plants any more
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