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The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

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Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

#11

The old school way was to go away somewhere else in summer. There is no replacement for air conditioning. It's a modern marvel. People who hate it should also refuse to have heating in winter.

The old school way where? And for what class of people? The working class weren't moving for the summer.

Further I put a jumper on in the winter, have insulation in my house, have curtains etc to keep heat in. What's wrong with having passive ways of keeping warm or cool?

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

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While all of these might offer some cooling in your home, nothing beats air conditioning.

Is this an American thing? There seem to be a number of comments akin to "you'll prise it from my cold dead fingers" when that isn't being suggested.

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

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All these assume that the ambient temperature outside will be lower than the temperature in your home, hence you want the air to come in but keep the sun out.

In southern Europe this is false for many weeks during the summer. During heatwaves you want to open all the windows during the night, and close everything at 9ish-10. Because the temperature outside is going to rise to 40-45 celsius the ambient air will only heat your house, even drafts will feel burning hot. So not just shutters, but glass windows and curtains too,

Then about 8 hours later, you want to open everything back up and wash your balcony or terrace (evaporative cooling it essentially), you want to use a minimum amount of water, that will evaporate in the next 30-40 minutes because it attracts mosquitos.

But overall air conditioning is the way to go.

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By what measurement? They all surely beat air conditioning in terms of energy usage.

They are complimentary. Shutters reduce the amount of heat coming in. AC gets whatever heat managed to go in out. One thing I'll never understand is not having shutters, only curtains. I live in France, almost everyone has shutters. But in other countries it's often different. I lived in Thailand for a couple of years and had only curtains, so the sun would still get past the window pane, heat the curtain, and the AC…

Most of the time these things are governed by whatever's cheaper (in the short run).

Maybe electrical energy is massively subsidized or just cheap in general. Installing shutters can be a large up-front investment, especially when installed by somebody else. It may take many years of burning energy with an AC to earn that back.

Also maybe the home isn't even yours, but you are renting. The owner doesn't care about your energy bill.

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

#17

The old school way was to go away somewhere else in summer. There is no replacement for air conditioning. It's a modern marvel. People who hate it should also refuse to have heating in winter.

You seem to be hellbent on marketing AC. I don't understand why it has to be a polarizing issue. Clearly it is much different than heating in winter; the latter is a matter of survival, while the former is mostly a matter of comfort. One could indeed argue that in the precarious state we are in, expending energy for unnecessary comfort should be minimized, something that passive designs can aid. As we also try to min…

I think you are the only person polarizing here.

There really is nothing "unnecessary" about the comfort of AC. Just like there isn't anything unnecessary about the comfort of heating in winter. People can at worst die without it, and they do. When your environment is uncomfortable, that is your body telling you that the environment is wrong, and it has millions of years of wisdom.

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

#18

All these assume that the ambient temperature outside will be lower than the temperature in your home, hence you want the air to come in but keep the sun out. In southern Europe this is false for many weeks during the summer. During heatwaves you want to open all the windows during the night, and close everything at 9ish-10. Because the temperature outside is going to rise to 40-45 celsius the ambient air will only h…

nice of you to think that by evening you get cooler air :D we have had days where the only time of the day where the outside temp was lower than indoor's was between 01-07. So either you stay up to open the windows, or wait till early morning... but then you just get 1-2 hrs before having to close everything again

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

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post #11

The old school way was to go away somewhere else in summer. There is no replacement for air conditioning. It's a modern marvel. People who hate it should also refuse to have heating in winter.

The old school way where? And for what class of people? The working class weren't moving for the summer. Further I put a jumper on in the winter, have insulation in my house, have curtains etc to keep heat in. What's wrong with having passive ways of keeping warm or cool?

The old-school way of dealing with excess heat or excess cold was to go somewhere else. People have been doing that for thousands of years. And yes, workers would also leave the cities and go stay with their relatives in the cooler countryside.

There's nothing wrong with the passive ways, when they are enough.

Re: The old-school way of keeping the summer heat out of your home

#20

All these assume that the ambient temperature outside will be lower than the temperature in your home, hence you want the air to come in but keep the sun out. In southern Europe this is false for many weeks during the summer. During heatwaves you want to open all the windows during the night, and close everything at 9ish-10. Because the temperature outside is going to rise to 40-45 celsius the ambient air will only h…

nice of you to think that by evening you get cooler air :D we have had days where the only time of the day where the outside temp was lower than indoor's was between 01-07. So either you stay up to open the windows, or wait till early morning... but then you just get 1-2 hrs before having to close everything again

Yeah, anecdotally night time temperatures have gotten much worse the last decade. But in the 90s-2010s you could easily get by without air-conditioning and no misery, with just passive temperature control.
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