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US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Telaneo »

matwood wrote: post #437
schoen wrote: post #383

I co-wrote a border search guide for EFF some years ago. I was very interested in finding clever technical approaches but I later ended up feeling that I hadn't given enough thought to the overall threat model questions (even though the guide did address them, perhaps even somewhat usefully). The big picture problem is that the agents performing the searches have an enormous amount of power in terms of potentially se…

> I think they should not have this power, but the agents and courts probably don't care that I think that. ... > and about not angering the agents more than you plan to When I was a teenager (long ago at this point), I got into an argument with a police officer over surfing in a certain area. It was pouring down rain, so he was annoyed he had to sit outside and wait for my friends and me to come to shore. Once we go…

> but then says he can't have me disrespecting and being a smart-ass to his cops

Maybe it's just me, but I am of the exact opposite opinion. Cops have enormous power, and any misuse of it should be pushed back on hard. Cops that misuse their power should not be respected. An informed citizenry is a wonderful asset in making that power imbalance less of a problem.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by jonathanstrange »

schoen wrote: post #383

I co-wrote a border search guide for EFF some years ago. I was very interested in finding clever technical approaches but I later ended up feeling that I hadn't given enough thought to the overall threat model questions (even though the guide did address them, perhaps even somewhat usefully). The big picture problem is that the agents performing the searches have an enormous amount of power in terms of potentially se…

Just don't travel to the US.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by dijit »

einpoklum wrote: post #448
matwood wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think they should not have this power, but the agents and courts probably don't care that I think that. ... > and about not angering the agents more than you plan to When I was a teenager (long ago at this point), I got into an argument with a police officer over surfing in a certain area. It was pouring down rain, so he was annoyed he had to sit outside and wait for my friends and me to come to shore. Once we go…

Too bad you could not bring that judge up on charges of judicial misconduct - if he indeed told you that the charge against you had no merit, but decided to punish you anyway because he did not approve of your demeanor. ... or otherwise, that people in your community could not apply any counter-pressure to such judicial behavior, in the media and public fora.

at some point you just take your lumps.

Most people don’t have boundless time or energy and just want things to go away.

… ironically this fact is used a lot in gaining confessions by police.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by microtonal »

kombookcha wrote: post #404
gib444 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely they'll just dig into as to why he set up the feature originally?

'I don't want some sketchy phone mugger to end up with sexy photos of my girlfriend/myself' would seem like a plausible reason to me, if I was a juror.

IANAL, but I think that argument would be stronger if there was a way of a mugger to use the pincode (like putting it on a note inside the case) and law enforcement just used that code.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by eecc »

Telaneo wrote: post #451
matwood wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think they should not have this power, but the agents and courts probably don't care that I think that. ... > and about not angering the agents more than you plan to When I was a teenager (long ago at this point), I got into an argument with a police officer over surfing in a certain area. It was pouring down rain, so he was annoyed he had to sit outside and wait for my friends and me to come to shore. Once we go…

> but then says he can't have me disrespecting and being a smart-ass to his cops Maybe it's just me, but I am of the exact opposite opinion. Cops have enormous power, and any misuse of it should be pushed back on hard. Cops that misuse their power should not be respected. An informed citizenry is a wonderful asset in making that power imbalance less of a problem.

Yeah, but go tell that to the judge who’s just about to slap you with a sentence.

Unless you want to fight that all the way up the judicial food chain

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by sourcecodeplz »

crtified wrote: post #307
saimiam wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re trying to ask the person you are replying to not to use medical terminology to make a point in a catchy way but I honestly have no idea what the Michael Scott segue was supposed to mean.

I realised that reference would not be well understood, so edited it out. FYI it was a reference to fictional character Michael Scott from television production The Office (US). The characters main trait was unintended verbal faux pas, where he meant well but actually caused awkwardness and offense. Often by stereotyping the traits of specific minorities.

now i have to watch it again, haven't binged the office in a couple of years now.

it is time

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by schoen »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #452
schoen wrote: post #383

I co-wrote a border search guide for EFF some years ago. I was very interested in finding clever technical approaches but I later ended up feeling that I hadn't given enough thought to the overall threat model questions (even though the guide did address them, perhaps even somewhat usefully). The big picture problem is that the agents performing the searches have an enormous amount of power in terms of potentially se…

Just don't travel to the US.

I live in the U.S. (as, I think, does the person who is the subject of this article).

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by schoen »

rustyhancock wrote: post #427
realusername wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The big picture problem is that the agents performing the searches have an enormous amount of power in terms of potentially seizing devices and potentially denying entry for non-citizens. I think they should not have this power, but the agents and courts probably don't care that I think that. That's the reason I never traveled to the US and never will, just having IT security in your CV is enough to make the border…

It's also quite surprising that all socials need to be declared. And presumably them AI vetted in time for you to get to the border.

This part is pretty new. I wonder if my former colleagues have done any FOIA work looking into how travelers' disclosed social media accounts have been reviewed or analyzed!
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