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The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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and when did you stop beating your wife?

> is the pay good enough to justify the atrocities you help to perpetrate?

C'mon, not every ad jockey is flogging fossil fuels, and even some that do repent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(novelist)

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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The chinese AI and greymarket peptides scenes feel so vital, fun and wild-west. Imagine spending your life being beholden to USA corporations and being scolded on HN for violating a trillion dollar company’s ToS.

Imagine having all your data stolen, and then getting a new and exciting autoimmune disease.

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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I don't think device fingerprinting is the right approach here. Client-side detection can always be sidestepped, and you need to intermediate the actual inference to get enough signals to make an accurate prediction. There are hundreds of listings for cursor tokens/credits right now. We use canary values to detect the resellers, and I believe that's the only approach that will actually work at scale.

> We use canary values to detect the resellers, and I believe that's the only approach that will actually work at scale. Can you elaborate how it works? Specific sequence of tokens acts as a canary?

sign up for the resellers, insert a random id canary into your requests, trace them back on your server to tie it to an account

find fingerprints / signatures of the accounts being used. ban all of them.

eventually build an ml based system that detects these at signup

reinforce with more data. loop forever, etc.

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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and when did you stop beating your wife? > is the pay good enough to justify the atrocities you help to perpetrate? C'mon, not every ad jockey is flogging fossil fuels, and even some that do repent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(novelist)

Oh, I consider ads-driven economy an atrocity.

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

and when did you stop beating your wife? > is the pay good enough to justify the atrocities you help to perpetrate? C'mon, not every ad jockey is flogging fossil fuels, and even some that do repent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(novelist)

Oh, I consider ads-driven economy an atrocity.

Of possible interest, Ballard's The Atrocity Exhibition is themed abut mass media intrusion into private mind spaces, Carey's Bliss about an ad exec whose heart stops, re-awakening convinced he is in hell (but merely life with the scales fallen from his eyes).

Such things are still not reason to dis other HN commentators - there's always reddit for that.

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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and when did you stop beating your wife? > is the pay good enough to justify the atrocities you help to perpetrate? C'mon, not every ad jockey is flogging fossil fuels, and even some that do repent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(novelist)

Given that the parent comment literally stated that they worked in adtech, this is not "begging the question" in the way that you're implying.

You might disagree with the assertion that adtech is immoral, but that's a difference of opinion, not evidence of a logical fallacy.

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and when did you stop beating your wife? > is the pay good enough to justify the atrocities you help to perpetrate? C'mon, not every ad jockey is flogging fossil fuels, and even some that do repent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrekESgFQI * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carey_(novelist)

Given that the parent comment literally stated that they worked in adtech, this is not "begging the question" in the way that you're implying. You might disagree with the assertion that adtech is immoral, but that's a difference of opinion, not evidence of a logical fallacy.

It gets old linking to the HN comment guidelines whenever one user goes at another user in a direct and personal way. Loaded accusations are exactly that, not questions being begged, nor logical fallacy or mere differences of opinion.

Ergo sometimes I opt for not just quoting and linking to

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The relay market powering token resellers and fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I consider ads-driven economy an atrocity.

Of possible interest, Ballard's The Atrocity Exhibition is themed abut mass media intrusion into private mind spaces, Carey's Bliss about an ad exec whose heart stops, re-awakening convinced he is in hell (but merely life with the scales fallen from his eyes). Such things are still not reason to dis other HN commentators - there's always reddit for that.

> Such things are still not reason to dis other HN commentators - there's always reddit for that.

Mmm, this I disagree with particularly. I view HN as a forum dedicated to the technology professions, and as such, it’s an extremely appropriate place to shame those in the profession who refuse to consider the second-order effects of their work.

We (those in the technology profession) have no union through which we can encourage professional standards and ethics and codes of conduct. Shame is pretty much the only and last bastion for those of us who care about how we make our money, and not just the amount written on the paycheck.

I know there are some people, both in this forum, and who I’ve met in person - (“Raytheon? How do you feel about the moral dilemma of working for a weapons manufacturer?” … “We manufacture weapons? I just work in HR.”) - who will never lose an ounce of sleep considering their line of work due to an underdeveloped sense of ethics.

But there are some people who are in the middle ground who can still be won over. Every year that passes it becomes more important that technologists are aware of the ethical implications of their work - no matter how much capital incentivizes the opposite. Don’t let a paycheck delude you.

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