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Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Surely writing 374 lbs is easier than 26st 10lb.

The 2nd number immediately means something to me. While I have to consider the first. From my perspective it isn’t easier to comprehend. An unrelated point. I’ve noticed more people in the UK measuring their weight in KG. I think I may be in a dwindling minority of people who think in stones and pounds.

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Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Nobody yet mentioned young-learnt habits: school cafeterias & snack machines. When I was young, in lunch breaks you'd head over to the school's cafeteria. And what they had there? "Gevulde koek", stroopwafel, snack-sized bags of crisps, various (sweetened) dairy products, and iirc bananas & apples too. No veggies or fibre-rich food in sight. So of course kids would go for the sugar-laden & salty snacks. For drinks, t…

In America, the school cafeteria used to prepare the meals for the kids those days are largely gone. Everything is prepackaged and processed. Who knew all the cooked meals were going the way of the dodo.

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Being a potato guy through and through, it grinds my gears that potatoes get a bad rap.

The American Indians in South America, ate potatoes for hundreds of years, potatoes, even saved many people in Europe there’s nothing wrong with them in moderation.

They also had a much more active lifestyle (e.g. farming, hunting, physical training, etc.) that would offset carb heavy foods.

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Pasta and other carbohydrate-rich foods are nowhere near as bad as sugar for children. In the Nutella filled pastry, it is not the bread that’s the problem. Sugar (particularly in beverages) and lack of exercise are the main contribution of child obesity increase worldwide. Don’t blame the potato.

> Pasta and other carbohydrate-rich foods are nowhere near as bad as sugar for children. Sugar is as bad as it is because it's almost instantly absorbed. Plenty of carbohydrates are the same. Fiber is what separates healthy carbs from unhealthy carbs, heck, even sugars. An apple is healthy even though it's loaded with sugar because it's also loaded with fiber. Apple juice is unhealthy because it's basically just the…

Pasta is actually a relatively low GI food, due to long starch chains. Like fiber, some of the (resistant) starch acts as food for the microbiome of the gut. There’s a theory that eating lots of resistant starch has similar benefits to high-fiber diets.

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

#56
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Regular pasta and pizza dough are as almost as bad as sugar. Bread might not be as bad as Nutella but is still bad. Most popular Italian food tastes good but is horrible health wise.

Not by a mile, at least for pasta. When you compare the calorie density and glycemic index of pasta with other grains or grain-derived foods, it's really not bad. The dose makes the poison.

The pasta they usually serve is the worst kind of pasta.

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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Being a potato guy through and through, it grinds my gears that potatoes get a bad rap.

The American Indians in South America, ate potatoes for hundreds of years, potatoes, even saved many people in Europe there’s nothing wrong with them in moderation.

those potatoes aren't like the ones we cultivate now; similar for things like corn and bananas.

and they weren't eating half a kilo of them, deep fried, in a sitting (e.g. fish and chips or McD's french fries) for breakfast lunch and dinner

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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I did not realize this is mostly in the SOUTH. This would be funny to hear for you, but to become fat in the south you just have to have a good appetite: most moms, grandmas and aunts will cook you INCREDIBLE meals (very flavorful stuff), but of course it will also be loaded with fats. The likelihood of this being a problem related to preprocessed stuff is low

The thing that hurts most people around the world is that we still eat as if we’re gonna work from sun up to sundown habits are hard to break…

capitalism needs to sell you more food and bigger portions.

BIG FARMERS BREAKFAST, and many types of breakfast foods are largely a marketing invention; many societies never ate large breakfasts, and many still don't, e.g. the soup & natto breakfast in Japan

Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American Indians in South America, ate potatoes for hundreds of years, potatoes, even saved many people in Europe there’s nothing wrong with them in moderation.

those potatoes aren't like the ones we cultivate now; similar for things like corn and bananas. and they weren't eating half a kilo of them, deep fried, in a sitting (e.g. fish and chips or McD's french fries) for breakfast lunch and dinner

> McD's french fries

those are not potatoes.

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