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French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by sdthjbvuiiijbb »

ornornor wrote: post #135
derekdahmer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is real and contributes to this but there have been massive fires in this region for over a century - primarily from the artificially planted Maritime Pine forests. The 1940s were particularly bad. Look up the Great Fire of 1949.

Never on that scale. This is unprecedented. France asked other EU members for help as the firefighters are overwhelmed and the fire uncontrollable. There hasn’t been an evacuation this large since WW2 (300k people displaced so far, 0.5% of the country’s population) This isn’t a “it’s summer, and fires burn” type of a deal. Even though most fires are set by idiots on purpose, it spreads so well because everywhere is d…

France has more than 6 million people. I think you meant 0.5%

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by xbmcuser »

ColdStream wrote: post #88
artisinal wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be time to revert it back to wetland.

Sounds like a good plan to me. Probably a dozen reasons why we cannot that I am unaware of, but from my arm chair it looks good.

Looking at what this group is slowly doing all over the world I don't think it is impossible tough but possible. https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by zahlman »

ornornor wrote: post #135
derekdahmer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is real and contributes to this but there have been massive fires in this region for over a century - primarily from the artificially planted Maritime Pine forests. The 1940s were particularly bad. Look up the Great Fire of 1949.

Never on that scale. This is unprecedented. France asked other EU members for help as the firefighters are overwhelmed and the fire uncontrollable. There hasn’t been an evacuation this large since WW2 (300k people displaced so far, 0.5% of the country’s population) This isn’t a “it’s summer, and fires burn” type of a deal. Even though most fires are set by idiots on purpose, it spreads so well because everywhere is d…

The sources I can readily find place the total extent of forest fires in France this year at 40,000 hectares, still less than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Landes_forest_fire .

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by aakresearch »

ornornor wrote: post #135
derekdahmer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is real and contributes to this but there have been massive fires in this region for over a century - primarily from the artificially planted Maritime Pine forests. The 1940s were particularly bad. Look up the Great Fire of 1949.

Never on that scale. This is unprecedented. France asked other EU members for help as the firefighters are overwhelmed and the fire uncontrollable. There hasn’t been an evacuation this large since WW2 (300k people displaced so far, 0.5% of the country’s population) This isn’t a “it’s summer, and fires burn” type of a deal. Even though most fires are set by idiots on purpose, it spreads so well because everywhere is d…

0.5% you mean? France population is over 60 million people.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by divbzero »

falloon wrote: post #112

Pedantic cloud enjoyer here, the article should name this a pyrocumulus not pyrocumulonimbus - the nimbus part means 'rain-bearing' in meteorology, fire clouds don't rain.

Pyrocumulonimbus [1] appears to be the most extreme version of pyrocumulus [2] which, coincidentally, was observed halfway around the world in Washington State this week [3].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulonimbus_flammagenitus

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammagenitus_cloud

[3]: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/climate-lab/little...

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by vlovich123 »

zahlman wrote: post #143
ornornor wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never on that scale. This is unprecedented. France asked other EU members for help as the firefighters are overwhelmed and the fire uncontrollable. There hasn’t been an evacuation this large since WW2 (300k people displaced so far, 0.5% of the country’s population) This isn’t a “it’s summer, and fires burn” type of a deal. Even though most fires are set by idiots on purpose, it spreads so well because everywhere is d…

The sources I can readily find place the total extent of forest fires in France this year at 40,000 hectares, still less than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Landes_forest_fire .

Once in a hundred year (or more) event that was beaten in lethality twice in the past two decades. Hmmmm. Can’t possibly be a pattern there. Not like we have models predicting what happens and that reality is progressing far worse than the scientists are allowed to officially report.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

kortilla wrote: post #129
j1elo wrote: post #56

Spain is also completely on fire - there's a website that collects all official information and locates every fire on a map: https://xn--incendiosespaa-2nb.es/ (in Spanish) It is disheartening to see how everything is basically in red.

Statements like these embolden climate change deniers because they look so panicked beyond reason. Spain isn’t “completely on fire” and Spain frequently has fires like California. You need to quantify in sq km or some other objective unit what makes this so unique.

Spain planted eucalyptus in state forrest. Tha treeis a bomb.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by dualvariable »

falloon wrote: post #112

Pedantic cloud enjoyer here, the article should name this a pyrocumulus not pyrocumulonimbus - the nimbus part means 'rain-bearing' in meteorology, fire clouds don't rain.

Cumulonimbus has been separated from its etymological roots. It now refers to the physics that can produce deep convection, high clouds, and the formation of an anvil shape (along with lightning, etc). The convection that produces a cumulonimbus rain cloud is present in a pyrocumulonimbus cloud. The word isn't wrong.
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