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Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by yawaramin »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #93

What I don't like about Htmx is, that it is still a JS framework, without good automatic fallbacks for a noscript situation. This leads to web devs thinking it would be great to do all the things in Htmx, even if all they have is a static page with static content. Just recently I looked at hosting an old school forum. I don't want to load all the PHP and MySQL baggage on my server or even run it in docker, so I looke…

Htmx is actually quite good at graceful degradation IF you stick to hx-boost for most interactions. See https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-i...

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by bubblebeard »

novoreorx wrote: post #126

In the pre agentic coding era, I was hyped about HTMX for providing a classic way of web development over React. But after not writing code for several months, all work done by claude code / codex, I find myself not caring whether the framework is HTMX or React anymore. I mean, why do you bother if you don't write the code yourself. And I'm even starting to feel React's advantages: good ecosystem, rich UI kits, reusa…

I can understand that feeling, but remember that just because you have been handed a new powertool you mustn't always use it. Life is not about optimizing everything. It makes redundant work faster, where you fully understand from the outset how to write something, but this just frees you up to learn and explore new things, and work on stuff just for the fun of it, like this.

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by addaon »

blister wrote: post #6

I've been using htmx for three years now, and it's completely unlocked new ways of building software for the web, especially if you use a server-side templating language. But more importantly (as this "Game Boy" option reveals), the head honcho is really responsive with the items in the store. I had purchased a coffee mug a few years back and complained on Twitter that they need to sell larger mugs instead of only of…

> The next day, he added giant 48-ounce monsters to the store and I've been drinking out of that mug every day since.

This was my trick for cutting back to two cups of coffee a day.

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by yrds96 »

novoreorx wrote: post #126

In the pre agentic coding era, I was hyped about HTMX for providing a classic way of web development over React. But after not writing code for several months, all work done by claude code / codex, I find myself not caring whether the framework is HTMX or React anymore. I mean, why do you bother if you don't write the code yourself. And I'm even starting to feel React's advantages: good ecosystem, rich UI kits, reusa…

I don't see a relation in this. You can both use LLMs and care about your codebase design. Frameworks and libraries are still relevant, and each one has its tradeoffs.

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by asdfsa32 »

Is there any substantial web app written htmx?

I find htmx ideal for things that should be static to begin with, and for things that are dynamic, I fail to see how it can handle synchronisation?

I believe Github is using similar technology and their notifications indicators and counter are almost always broken and out of sync.

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by asdfsa32 »

yawaramin wrote: post #131
zelphirkalt wrote: post #93

What I don't like about Htmx is, that it is still a JS framework, without good automatic fallbacks for a noscript situation. This leads to web devs thinking it would be great to do all the things in Htmx, even if all they have is a static page with static content. Just recently I looked at hosting an old school forum. I don't want to load all the PHP and MySQL baggage on my server or even run it in docker, so I looke…

Htmx is actually quite good at graceful degradation IF you stick to hx-boost for most interactions. See https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-i...

I have learned that whenever anything is "X if Y" it means it is really weak at X and "if Y" is just a workaround. This has saved me a lot of grief in life by identifying my personal emotional attachment to things.

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by [deleted] »

novoreorx wrote: post #126

In the pre agentic coding era, I was hyped about HTMX for providing a classic way of web development over React. But after not writing code for several months, all work done by claude code / codex, I find myself not caring whether the framework is HTMX or React anymore. I mean, why do you bother if you don't write the code yourself. And I'm even starting to feel React's advantages: good ecosystem, rich UI kits, reusa…

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Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by rolymath »

robertoandred wrote: post #123
Grimblewald wrote: post #106

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It's been massive for me as well. I would say my web developmemt is best described as dabbling in web development, and I mostly do so for websites that cater to academic interests and conference / society managment and organising. So, relativly niche. However, I think HTMX is a beauty. Fast, simple, and doesnt come with all the bloat and BS a JS heavy / JS first deployment comes with. I can quikckly build fast and re…

HTMX is just as JS compute heavy. It's not magic.

You're saying we need magic for different js frameworks to have different performance profiles?

Re: Htmx 4.0, the first JavaScript library to release exclusively on the Game Boy

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Post by butterlesstoast »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #135

Is there any substantial web app written htmx? I find htmx ideal for things that should be static to begin with, and for things that are dynamic, I fail to see how it can handle synchronisation? I believe Github is using similar technology and their notifications indicators and counter are almost always broken and out of sync.

I believe Hotwire for Ruby on Rails uses a lot of HTMX under the hood.
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