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French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

Aboutplants wrote: post #72
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

I truly think it’s because we are in the “Find out” phase and most people have very little hope (justifiably) in anything meaningful actually occurring that can prevent or mitigate climate change even a little bit.

It is also fairly disheartening to see a lot of proposed responses just quietly get shelved because it was economically not idea on the short term. A lot of them were fairly weak to begin with and even they couldn't hold.

I don't think it will be grim forever, this isn't "DOOOOMED, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!" but I am not holding out for the Frutiger Aero future of only a few decades back.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

nsainsbury wrote: post #89
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

The most downvoted comment I've ever made on Hacker News was related to climate change. There's a profoundly ignorant collection of people here who want to stick their head in the sand and pretend everything is fine while the world burns around them.

Alas, a lot of people are reactive and not proactive. There is also the factor that most people see themselves as the virtuous ones, and they do not appreciate a Cassandra pointing out the awful truths that undermine this narrative.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by derekdahmer »

donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

Climate change is real and contributes to this but there have been massive fires in this region for over a century - primarily from the artificially planted Maritime Pine forests. The 1940s were particularly bad. Look up the Great Fire of 1949.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

chewbacha wrote: post #80
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

Must… Build… More… Datacenters… But seriously, hacker news routinely denies the obvious when it comes to climate crisis.

That's because there is the chance that it will benefit them short term over others. F U I got mine! Or just ignorance.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #99
artisinal wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I read in another comment this was caused by Napoleon.

Napoleon did his geo-engineering 150 years ago, in a completely different world. He's not the one to blame here.

Well he didn't help, but this is a good example of why so many military's call climate change a 'Risk Multiplier'.

There was already an issue but it has just been amplified.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by coldbrewed »

ColdStream wrote: post #88
artisinal wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might be time to revert it back to wetland.

Sounds like a good plan to me. Probably a dozen reasons why we cannot that I am unaware of, but from my arm chair it looks good.

The water was likely redirected for agricultural purposes and the farmers won't/can't surrender it on top of drought, if it's anything like the US. Would be real cool if we could make investments like this though.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by hahahaa »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #63
juujian wrote: post #54

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Nope, read a couple stories about climate credits over the years, and this is a problem. The credits are permanent, even if the new grown forest burns down.

If they grow the forest back it's fine for the credits to be permanent. But definitely don't treat it as a reset. Require the regrowth and don't give out new credits for it.

Needs a coefficient of burn, so instead of 1kg maybe you count it as 200g to allow for burning and and then next replant which allocates to someone else.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ludston »

derrida wrote: post #91
strken wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.

> What is there to discuss? The governance crisis: how can we follow science on so many things, how can countries completely change on short order, but not for this...

Governments have been working on this for more then 20 years now. 40 maybe. As long as I've been alive at least. It's just that all of the actions to try and deal with this have been continuously undermined by fossil fuel industries and right-wing politics.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by hahahaa »

c7b wrote: post #69
cineticdaffodil wrote: post #31

So, if you used climate credits, to build up those forrests. Do they get nil and void, if those forrests burn up?

How would non-permanent credits even work? You purchase the carbon-offset option on a flight, a tree gets planted somewhere, ten years later it burns in a wildfire. Then what?

I suggest an adjusted value taking burn into account. E.g. you use 20% or whatever of the value. Theory: it ain't 0 if you plant a tree and it is not the whole tree. There has to be a % that represents on average the effectiveness of the plant over 200 years say.

This also addresses the tree death issue.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

senderista wrote: post #85

I will be surprised if the climate crisis doesn’t eventually escalate to the point where basically everyone agrees that geoengineering of some kind is worth the risk.

I think the only reason it doesn't come to this is the risk of liability over possible blow backs.

Say they start sulfur injection or whatever, and a year later there are crop failures in India. While it could have happened anyway, there is now a plausible chance that it can be pinned on who ever did the geoengineering. The amount of scapegoating on any climate issue would be wild.

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