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French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by derrida »

strken wrote: post #84
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

What is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.

> What is there to discuss?

The governance crisis: how can we follow science on so many things, how can countries completely change on short order, but not for this...

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by nextaccountic »

strken wrote: post #84
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

What is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.

We can fix it nonetheless, we have the resources and the need. We broke it and we will fix it

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

strken wrote: post #84
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

What is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by throw-the-towel »

jryle70 wrote: post #21
vouaobrasil wrote: post #9

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People also stupidly watch soccer games such as World Cup, go on meaningless vacations, eat out when they can cook at home, argue nonsense on online forums such as HN. Sure those activities aren't "encouraging more consumerism and more CO2 output"?

At least everything you listed already existed. AI didn't exist until recently, so the pain of changing your lifestyle does not apply.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by throw-the-towel »

well_ackshually wrote: post #49
sunshine-o wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I can understand fires in gigantic forests in Canada or mountainous area are almost impossible to prevent but just looking at the Gironde/Bordeaux area on Google Maps it just looks like an absolute failure by the state. And this is not an earthquake, it happens every years at the same time. It is too easy to blame climate change.

They repeatedly underspent on hardware (bought 2 canadairs instead of 4 to replace aging ones), people (last time the firemen protested for a higher budget, they were tear gassed by the police), forest management (cut off the budget of the forest management agency), enforcement (private forest owners have to introduce fire cut lines into their parcels, which they didn't do. Forest management agency has nobody to spar…

And meanwhile the taxes go up, and up, and up.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by nianderwallace »

verzali wrote: post #2

The situation in Bordeaux right now feels close to apocalyptic. I left yesterday. Two hundred thousand people are evacuated, hundreds of homes destroyed, and the fire about 10 miles from the edge of the city.

These train workers in northern Ontario had an intense view of a wildfire up close. I would have freaked out. They're acting like there's a cute animal on tracks.

see https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/train-cab-wildfir...

[edit] other video links in case the first link isn't viewable outside Canada.

see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwc16INKNq0 or https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qAerRqQQHAM

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

nextaccountic wrote: post #92
strken wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.

We can fix it nonetheless, we have the resources and the need. We broke it and we will fix it

I think there is some nuance to this. It isn't likely that we will go back to the way it was before industrialization, we are too far past that. But we will head to a new normal that could be manageable.

Problems have solutions, predicaments have responses. We are in a predicament, and the quicker and more direct we can respond the better chance we have to adverting the more nasty paths of the future.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by throw-the-towel »

artisinal wrote: post #76
donohoe wrote: post #71

67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?

From what I read in another comment this was caused by Napoleon.

Napoleon did his geo-engineering 150 years ago, in a completely different world. He's not the one to blame here.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

yongjik wrote: post #67
ares623 wrote: post #55

One of the biggest lies is that these events will only happen (or will happen first) to the "global south" and only affect the "other peoples". Unfortunately for us, the Earth has no preferences and doesn't run on our schedule.

I know it's a cold and cynical take, but if it has to happen somewhere, better for it to happen in Europe, the US, or other developed countries. These countries can at least do something to keep climate crisis from getting worse. (Or... more realistically, to keep it from getting worse too fast.)

Too keep it from killing too many people too fast, anyway.
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