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The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by angoragoats »

m463 wrote: post #83
angoragoats wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What OP might be (crudely) referring to is that Jobs had a rare (~1% of cases IIRC) curable form of pancreatic cancer, and ignored his doctors' advice to have it treated and removed in favor of some kind of special diet. By the time he accepted actual medical treatment, the cancer had spread and it was too late.

Maybe the press his story got might convince other people with the same diagnosis to have it treated in a timely fashion. I don't know that I can blame him though. Having been involved in friends and family members with medical problems, there are SO many people that muddle through understanding, and then deciding what to do. Conflicting advice will come from all directions. It seems only doctors, usually with a life…

If I was diagnosed with cancer, I would follow the advice of my medical team, _especially_ and without question if they told me that the cancer was curable in a high percentage of cases if I act now to have surgery.

It doesn’t make sense to me why someone would see the numbers in a case like this and decide not to act.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #66
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #25

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Name a big tech CEO who isn’t.

Having met Jeff Bezos personally once (ex Amazon employee), he seemed very down to earth. His mannerisms were almost awkward nerdy guy like, you definitely didn't feel like he was above you in any form and way. I dunno if that changed at all since then, but this was back in early 2010s.

Ah yes, the company the fires warehouse workers and delivery drivers for needing a washroom break. I bet sure is down to earth catching a tan on his giga yacht.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

angoragoats wrote: post #90
nailer wrote: post #80

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If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class. Hacker news indeed needs a block button.

> If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. 100% disagree, and that’s not what happened here anyway. > Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class. HN is not a formal debate, and even if it were, I’m not sure that what the other poster said is a strawman. My unsolicited advice would be to dial back your exp…

It’s a technical site. It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. Judging by moderation on angoragoats comment it seems that others feel the same way.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

kmeisthax wrote: post #61
nailer wrote: post #49

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If you read news outside of what you personally agreed with, you would know that Musk is a lot worse than just "supporting a candidate people like". That's the thing that got all the low-information California liberals who weren't paying attention to stand up and listen, but Musk has been a problem for a lot longer. My personal moment of disillusionment was when a bunch of kids got trapped in a cave in Thailand in 20…

I read a variety of sources with differing opinions: the WSJ is in front of me right now and generally dislikes Musk. I’m familiar with Musk calling the man that lived in Thailand a pedophile: he shouldn’t have done that, but realistically, a lot of people would consider an old European man living alone in Pattaya a pedophile - you can’t do that if you’re well known and Musk paid for that.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by angoragoats »

nailer wrote: post #93
angoragoats wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. 100% disagree, and that’s not what happened here anyway. > Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class. HN is not a formal debate, and even if it were, I’m not sure that what the other poster said is a strawman. My unsolicited advice would be to dial back your exp…

It’s a technical site. It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. Judging by moderation on angoragoats comment it seems that others feel the same way.

> It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour.

I agree. My point is that I believe the comment you got upset about was in fact not as rude or childish as you’re making it out to be, and perhaps looking at it through that lens would mean you’d come off as less reactionary in the future. Have a good day.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by ActorNightly »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #92
ActorNightly wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having met Jeff Bezos personally once (ex Amazon employee), he seemed very down to earth. His mannerisms were almost awkward nerdy guy like, you definitely didn't feel like he was above you in any form and way. I dunno if that changed at all since then, but this was back in early 2010s.

Ah yes, the company the fires warehouse workers and delivery drivers for needing a washroom break. I bet sure is down to earth catching a tan on his giga yacht.

No the company that donates millions to education, support programs, and improving quality of life for everyone.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

angoragoats wrote: post #95
nailer wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a technical site. It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. Judging by moderation on angoragoats comment it seems that others feel the same way.

> It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. I agree. My point is that I believe the comment you got upset about was in fact not as rude or childish as you’re making it out to be, and perhaps looking at it through that lens would mean you’d come off as less reactionary in the future. Have a good day.

Your comment never provided any supporting arguments so you’re unlikely to convince me or anyone else to expect less from HN.

Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN.

Thank you, I will.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by angoragoats »

nailer wrote: post #97
angoragoats wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. I agree. My point is that I believe the comment you got upset about was in fact not as rude or childish as you’re making it out to be, and perhaps looking at it through that lens would mean you’d come off as less reactionary in the future. Have a good day.

Your comment never provided any supporting arguments so you’re unlikely to convince me or anyone else to expect less from HN. Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN. Thank you, I will.

What if I told you I’ve been on HN since approximately when your account was created? Would that change your opinions at all? (Hint: ideally it shouldn’t, because basing your opinion on the age of my account when you have no other information about me is sloppy argumentation.)

And FWIW, your comments are full of unsupported accusations of logical fallacies and unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” so I was replying in kind.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #96
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the company the fires warehouse workers and delivery drivers for needing a washroom break. I bet sure is down to earth catching a tan on his giga yacht.

No the company that donates millions to education, support programs, and improving quality of life for everyone.

Your honor my client can’t be a bad person for kicking a puppy, he bought a birthday present for my dad one time!

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

angoragoats wrote: post #98
nailer wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment never provided any supporting arguments so you’re unlikely to convince me or anyone else to expect less from HN. Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN. Thank you, I will.

What if I told you I’ve been on HN since approximately when your account was created? Would that change your opinions at all? (Hint: ideally it shouldn’t, because basing your opinion on the age of my account when you have no other information about me is sloppy argumentation.) And FWIW, your comments are full of unsupported accusations of logical fallacies and unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed…

> Would that change your opinions at all?

It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that.

> unsupported accusations of logical fallacies

There's no point in writing something that can be be disproven by scrolling up the thread. Where I accused the other person of a logical fallacy, I wrote:

"pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man

You're welcome to acknowledge the error.

> unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,”

All positions are expected to have supporting arguments in a debate with peers. 'No' does not include supporting arguments. You should have learnt this from high school debating, civics etc. as a teenager, of failing that, adult discussion in your workplace, or failing that, participating in technical discussions on sites like HN.

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