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French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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One of the biggest lies is that these events will only happen (or will happen first) to the "global south" and only affect the "other peoples". Unfortunately for us, the Earth has no preferences and doesn't run on our schedule.

on average, 240k acres burn every year in Spain. this is somewhat larger, but not abnormal. it's just near people this time.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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So, if you used climate credits, to build up those forrests. Do they get nil and void, if those forrests burn up?

Nope, read a couple stories about climate credits over the years, and this is a problem. The credits are permanent, even if the new grown forest burns down.

If they grow the forest back it's fine for the credits to be permanent. But definitely don't treat it as a reset. Require the regrowth and don't give out new credits for it.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Let's roll with the futilist attitude for a second; what is it you suggest that we actually do, once we're focusing the anger on the correct source?

Work close to your home, dont travel long distances, dont buy stuff you dont really need, eat less red meat

Okay that'll reduce output by a third by the people that participate.

We need big funding and legal maneuvers to actually fix the problem. That or praying very hard that renewables are so good they can free-market fix everything without any additional pushes.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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The situation in Bordeaux right now feels close to apocalyptic. I left yesterday. Two hundred thousand people are evacuated, hundreds of homes destroyed, and the fire about 10 miles from the edge of the city.

I also left yesterday. I thought the mood was still surprisingly calm, considering that there was already enough smoke in the city to make it look like a foggy winter day and smell heavily of campfire. Now I am wondering if my return flight from Bordeaux in a few days will actually happen. Currently the airport is still operating, although the surrounding area has been evacuated. It really looks apocalyptic there, th…

Had to evacuate a few years ago: south-west of France. We could see 20 meters high burning flames on the closest hill. But weirdly enough it wasn't the most terrifying: the most terrifying was driving back (to the same place) at night time, in the summer, and feeling like it was snowing... for ashes from a huge fire about 20 kilometers away (?) were raining down the sky and covering everything. I could hardly see the road and didn't understand at first what was happening.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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post #55

One of the biggest lies is that these events will only happen (or will happen first) to the "global south" and only affect the "other peoples". Unfortunately for us, the Earth has no preferences and doesn't run on our schedule.

I know it's a cold and cynical take, but if it has to happen somewhere, better for it to happen in Europe, the US, or other developed countries. These countries can at least do something to keep climate crisis from getting worse. (Or... more realistically, to keep it from getting worse too fast.)

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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So, if you used climate credits, to build up those forrests. Do they get nil and void, if those forrests burn up?

Nope, read a couple stories about climate credits over the years, and this is a problem. The credits are permanent, even if the new grown forest burns down.

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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So, if you used climate credits, to build up those forrests. Do they get nil and void, if those forrests burn up?

How would non-permanent credits even work? You purchase the carbon-offset option on a flight, a tree gets planted somewhere, ten years later it burns in a wildfire. Then what?

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Work close to your home, dont travel long distances, dont buy stuff you dont really need, eat less red meat

Trying to shame people into scaling back their lifestyles isn't going to work. We need to approach the problem with a growth and abundance mindset to innovate our way to solutions. Regardless of the larger impacts or moral issues most people aren't going to be willing to sit in dark cramped high-rise apartments eating tofu. At least not if they have other options.

"Regardless of the larger impacts or moral issues most people aren't going to be willing to sit in dark cramped high-rise apartments eating tofu. At least not if they have other options."

Options like VR glasses?

Or even a full VR suit?

Personally I cannot put up with living in a city, but humans can adopt to surprising conditions of living.

But I am very much with you on the abundance mindset as the actual solution. Better tech, more of it.

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