And meanwhile, the Italian food lobbies are blocking Nutri-Score adoption at the EU level
I'm not sure nutri score is helpfull, most people don't understand how it even works and whats actually being compared for the rating.
Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
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Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
#32And meanwhile, the Italian food lobbies are blocking Nutri-Score adoption at the EU level
Nutriscore is a meme because it only refers to products in the same product category. Some Nestle's ultra processed sugary cereal has scores of A-B, it does not mean it's healthy, it just means it's less bad than other sugary cereal slop. It's very misleading.
Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do remember that Italians cook all their meals, it's a cultural thing
Italy is also famous for deli meats. I’m going to hazard a guess that not every Italian is buying raw meat and then preparing traditional dishes from scratch with it using only the freshest of natural ingredients etc.
No of course, but a whole prosciutto package is very little (100g). There aren't enough calories in a single package to make you fat. Way easier to attribute the problem to pasta. Eating that lunch and dinner, if you make it using non-veggies a pasta dish can easily be more than 600 calories (and that also depends on how much is eaten).
Prosciutto is often eaten with melon, or with figs, so yeah it's processed meat, but then it's eaten with fiber and healthy micronutrients.
Mozzarella could be a problem too (center of Italy), eating a mozzarella with tomato and basil (caprese) is simple, yet the mozzarella is loaded with calories.
Then again, most dishes in Italy use natural ingredients, but that doesn't spare you from getting fat. Take pasta with egg and guanciale (carbonara) is a ton of calories even if home made
I wonder if biscotti is the real deal. In Italy, kids have breakfast with a cup of milk and X amount of biscuits, those are sugar, flour, egg, milk and something else to give flavor. Eat 4 of those and it's 200 calories. Eat 8 of those and it starts to get scary (400 calories) + 1 cup of milk = ~550 calories.
Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
#34In 2004 I visited my family in Valencia, Spain. There was a local construction boom. There were family owned shops everywhere. Bakeries, fruit stands, etc. When I went back in 2014, it seems everything had changed. The shops were gone. The construction had slacked off. Instead there were now giant supermarkets and superstores. They were on the Euro now. My cousins blamed the EU for this. I'm assuming something simila…
I'm over 50. I played in the streets whole afternoons, full days during school vacations. They were dangerous years in Rome, terrorism, political violence, heroin everywhere. Despite we are now living in safer years, no kids are playing in the streets anymore. Also in the nearby park, they struggle to reach a 5 vs 5 football (soccer) match when we had plenty more for a 11 vs 11. A prominent psycologist just released…
I vecchi hanno così tanto potere politico ora, al punto tale che stanno facendo chiudere i campi di calcetto degli oratori, lamentandosi del rumore. I bambini non hanno più dove andare all'aperto senza infastidire qualche adulto.
Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do remember that Italians cook all their meals, it's a cultural thing
Italy is also famous for deli meats. I’m going to hazard a guess that not every Italian is buying raw meat and then preparing traditional dishes from scratch with it using only the freshest of natural ingredients etc.
I did not realize this is mostly in the SOUTH.
This would be funny to hear for you, but to become fat in the south you just have to have a good appetite: most moms, grandmas and aunts will cook you INCREDIBLE meals (very flavorful stuff), but of course it will also be loaded with fats.
The likelihood of this being a problem related to preprocessed stuff is low
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#36We've been doing variations of "educate the general public about healthy dietary choices" for roughly as long as the obesity epidemic has been around. Shouldn't it have worked by now, if it were going to? As purportedly modern, scientific, data-driven societies, why do we keep engaging in this impotent self-flagellation?
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pasta and other carbohydrate-rich foods are nowhere near as bad as sugar for children. Sugar is as bad as it is because it's almost instantly absorbed. Plenty of carbohydrates are the same. Fiber is what separates healthy carbs from unhealthy carbs, heck, even sugars. An apple is healthy even though it's loaded with sugar because it's also loaded with fiber. Apple juice is unhealthy because it's basically just the…
> removing all the fiber Yes this. Also reduced vegetable intake. In many cases the fiber from vegetables can offset some refined carbs intake.
On huberman show one guest described mechanics.
Fiber wraps and gelates fast carbs, and they reach later stages of processing were good bacteria lives and feeds on carbs.
As I recall from others sources, these bacteria produce drugs too, like barbiturate. They make host happier long after meal.
Re: Pizza, pasta, potatoes, protein – how Italian children became so overweight
#38And meanwhile, the Italian food lobbies are blocking Nutri-Score adoption at the EU level
Nutriscore is a meme because it only refers to products in the same product category. Some Nestle's ultra processed sugary cereal has scores of A-B, it does not mean it's healthy, it just means it's less bad than other sugary cereal slop. It's very misleading.
Yeah, in America they have processed level score thing alike and use it in schools.
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#39This explains how sugars and fast carbs can be healthy https://youtu.be/n28W4AmvMDE?si=xEx29eVFgDEy2ktW
Tldr; highly processed food looses vitamins(micro nutrient starvation) and starch/fiber are needed to slow absorption until it gets to bacteria producing drugs(barbiturate and precursors to neuromediators including), and give signals over vagus nerve to head. May be summary of few books from me too. Do not recall. Add on top chewing fibery food takes time, feeling full starts earlier of being full, and saliva ferments help to digest either.
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#40Pasta and other carbohydrate-rich foods are nowhere near as bad as sugar for children. In the Nutella filled pastry, it is not the bread that’s the problem. Sugar (particularly in beverages) and lack of exercise are the main contribution of child obesity increase worldwide. Don’t blame the potato.
Being a potato guy through and through, it grinds my gears that potatoes get a bad rap.