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Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by OptionOfT »

sdeframond wrote: post #66
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #4

The buried lede: What does all this mean for global temperatures? Because global temperature lags ENSO by around three to five months, most of this event’s warming will land in 2027, which is now shaping up to be a genuinely alarming year and the warmest on record by a sizable margin I’m certainly no climate scientist, but if I lived in Europe, I would absolutely be looking into how to get a solar energy system set u…

So we've been stupid "solar oven" buildings for 50 years while climate scientists were warning against extreme weather events and, now that said extreme event arrives, the best we find is to rush to aircon. Seems pretty short-sighted to me.

Yup. Built a house in 2016 in Belgium. Perfectly insulated. You didn't have to run heating in winter. Kept it all inside.

Also, it overheated instantly.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by carlosjobim »

sdeframond wrote: post #130
carlosjobim wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uncomfortable heat has nothing to do with temperature and everything to do with air humidity. Only an AC can lower the humidity, by conditioning the air.

> Uncomfortable heat has nothing to do with temperature and everything to do with air humidity That is not correct. Heat, wind and humidity all contribute. In a dry air with no wind, your body creates a "hot and humid" bubble around it if you are not moving. A fan helps. Humid but neither cold nor hot air may not feel great, but not that bad. Hot and humid air with no wind, now that's bad. Edit: I know because I adde…

27 centigrade with 80% humidity is a lot more uncomfortable for the human body than 33 degrees with 40% humidity. Likewise if the temperature is low, it's worse with high humidity and vice versa. The worst heat is the humid heat, and shade and fans cannot do much about it.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by sdeframond »

spwa4 wrote: post #135
delusional wrote: post #88

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I live in Europe. We have in fact invented air conditioning here too, but I am not concerned with what we should be doing next year. That's a trivial matter. I'm concerned about what will happen if this trend continues another 5-10 years. How do we make sure that doesn't happen?

> How do we make sure that doesn't happen? That's the neat part, you don't. Europe has saved on CO2 emissions by moving production to China, and more recently to India and Southern Asia, moving energy generation for factories onto coal power, significantly INCREASING the rate at which climate change occurs. China and India have made it very clear that, first, they will continue to do this. Also adding solar power, bu…

Would please install adjustable shades and ceiling fans first? And also plant a few trees if you can?

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by puttycat »

jordanb wrote: post #97
bcoughlan wrote: post #77

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I don't mean to be divisive, but this meme-like stream of news articles and comments about Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation that refused to even try to do anything about climate change, really grates on me.

It's clearly an op by people who don't want the story to be about a historic heatwave ravaging Europe, so instead they make it about dum Europeans without air conditioning (which they didn't need before).

The thing is that both sides have a point. European countries (notably France) have known for at least 30 years that this was coming, but was ideologically insisting not to install proper AC or even ventilation in public spaces and transport. This does not contradict the wider angle about Americans ignoring climate change.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by cromka »

ValleZ wrote: post #146
otherme123 wrote: post #108

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In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but the…

It was fairly impossible to find a restaurant in Paris that had an AC not so long time ago. It’s totally not an issue in states.

That's because Europeans are more of nonconformists and could deal with some 7 to 10 super hot days in a year. It's now weeks in a row.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by underdeserver »

ceroxylon wrote: post #71
buybackoff wrote: post #21

I've seen dozens of videos and articles about this strongest ever event. And I still have no clue if the next year I should evacuate from Paris for the summer because heatwaves may be even crazier than this year, or prolonged heavy rains are more likely and can make the city more livable.

No offense, but using air travel to avoid climate impacts is a bit ironic and part of the reason we’re in this mess. No need to fix the root cause, I’ll just fly somewhere cold during the summer /s

He didn't say he would be flying

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by cromka »

kakacik wrote: post #131
yostrovs wrote: post #96

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It would be one thing if Europe immediately stopped using coal, drastically reduced airline usage, quit building gasoline cars, but if anything it is only marginally better than the US. Europe mostly shifted their dirty work to Asia and North America, while restricting themselves from using air conditioning as some kind of virtue signaling. That's the problem as I see it.

We literally destroyed our car industry to try to steer the incoming catastrophe a bit, what the fuck do you want more. Germany tried to be the leader of solar but that was stolen err migrated to China, whole world profits now. While US, China and rest of the world did nothing similar, just stood and let shit hit the fan hard. Gotta milk those petrodollars till the last cent because thats all that counts, fuck our ch…

Agreed, but then there's also Norway, the absolute champ of hypocrisy.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by sdeframond »

carlosjobim wrote: post #152
sdeframond wrote: post #130

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> Uncomfortable heat has nothing to do with temperature and everything to do with air humidity That is not correct. Heat, wind and humidity all contribute. In a dry air with no wind, your body creates a "hot and humid" bubble around it if you are not moving. A fan helps. Humid but neither cold nor hot air may not feel great, but not that bad. Hot and humid air with no wind, now that's bad. Edit: I know because I adde…

27 centigrade with 80% humidity is a lot more uncomfortable for the human body than 33 degrees with 40% humidity. Likewise if the temperature is low, it's worse with high humidity and vice versa. The worst heat is the humid heat, and shade and fans cannot do much about it.

Shades will bring your 27C to 24C so yeah, it would do much about it. I don't even get your logic here.

Edit: you can still use an AC or dehumidifier on top of it. You will consume less energy with shades.

Letting the sun in is like letting your heaters on. You would not turn on both heaters and aircon in summer, would you?

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by puttycat »

ValleZ wrote: post #146
otherme123 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but the…

It was fairly impossible to find a restaurant in Paris that had an AC not so long time ago. It’s totally not an issue in states.

There are still hardly any, Paris, July '26.
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