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Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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> Also, sarcasm isn’t welcome here. Please read the HN guidelines. Ah yes, I didn't couch my post in any of the various, rampant HN-friendly versions of shitposting. I'll try to follow your example from here on out. Excellent touch citing the guidelines at me after your role in this thread, A+. Re-reads this thread, taking notes

You can hardly expect a greenname to have mastered such a subtle art.

I abandon accounts when they get way into the hundreds of karma, generally, or a couple times I’ve let it get a ways into the thousands before destroying the password. I prefer not to become attached to it, and find the minor clout of recognition (upvoted comments that probably ought not have been…) kinda gross.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

#312
post #173

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There are many analytics solutions that dont require cookies. You can do aggregated analytics just fine without. Saving preferences does not require consent either.

My understanding is that any front-end analytics solution will require consent. You're right about explicitly set preferences. I was mixing that up with inferred preferences.

It depends on what is to be analyzed.

How many requests per second are being served? How many error codes were delivered to clients? How quickly the service responded? Service logs without PII? All perfectly fine to aggregate and analyze without consent.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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The other approach to killing the cookie banner is simply to declare that such a thing cannot constitute “informed consent”. (Perhaps: “ticking a checkbox and/or clicking a button cannot constitute informed consent”; and see what they try next.) From a factual perspective, I honestly think that shouldn’t be controversial: it’s well-understood that very few people actually read those things, they just want to get them…

Good grief no. Using websites in the UK and the EU is an exercise in pain. Every single one of them has the doorway effect where you follow a link to them and you’re faced with some Subway sandwich grade range of choices to be made and you’ve forgotten why you were there in the first place. As it stands I just hit Accept on literally everything and that’s fine for me.

How cookie consent has been deployed by the data sponges is my go-to demonstration of malicious compliance.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

#314
Actual title: "Stop the tracking circus. Kill the cookie banner!"

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The "cookie banner" is an interactive method used by "adtech" companies to try to get user consent, as required by EU law. The forced interaction makes this method annoying

Google and other "adtech" companies are lobbying EU Member States to vote against giving users a means to non-interactively deny consent

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Oh good, nothing's possible then, we should give up on regulating bad things because hitmen think murder isn't bad when they do it.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Laws are the result of debate between sides and the prevailing opinion. The fact that laws aren’t identical in every jurisdiction worldwide reflects that there isn’t universal agreement on every question. Also, sarcasm isn’t welcome here. Please read the HN guidelines.

Your condescension is also obviously unhelpful here. Do better.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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> Parents can lock devices into "child mode" that emits "user is child" headers. Websites can then block. CA tried this with AB 1856. I wasn't a fan of this (neither was EFF) because of the privacy and tracking concerns of blasting the fact that the user is a child to all websites. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/05/one-step-forward-two-s... It would better for the block to happen at the device level. That is, the…

No offense but if you're proposing a solution that involves whitelists... that solution has already failed. The web is too big and changes too much and that's before we get to the issue of applying laws to a whitelist based on different juristictions worldwide. And I have to question, who would administer it? The parents? They won't. Google or Apple? Why do they want to deal with irate parents or culture wars around…

> that solution has already failed.

Yes, granted, a globally enforced whitelist probably wouldn't work. I'm referring to bespoke lists that parents control. I know plenty of parents that use this. e.g. here's Apple's feature:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/105121#:~:text=Prevent%20ina...

> It works for websites because they can cleanly identify a child and filter content if appropriate.

This still doesn't solve the problem of different jurisdictions and culture wars of what is or isn't appropriate for kids. All this does is move the liability upstream to websites instead of the devices. That is, instead of the browser deciding what's appropriate, now Youtube, Reddit, etc have to decide. And, as we've seen with the OSA in the UK, typically smaller platforms can't handle the enforcement cost so they just shut down entirely.

https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/in_memoriam/

The larger platforms often use overbroad CYA measures and throw up age verification where they don't need to (Reddit has done this in the EU), or just ban minors (Anthropic and character.ai did this).

As far as blocking explicit content, a self-labeling requirement like RTA accomplishes the same thing as a "this is a child" header but without the liability CYA and without the privacy concerns.

Where the "this is a child" header solution could theoretically win is allowing kids to access websites in a limited child-safe way, e.g. going to Reddit in child mode automatically shuts off certain subreddits. But, as we've seen, it just doesn't work well in practice and usually frustrates parents by overly broad content policing and liability theater. Kids are also at different levels of maturity and I've seen them get frustrated when they're binned into age categories that they feel they don't deserve. e.g. a 12 year old might be plenty mature enough for the 13-16 age category.

But my real objection to the "this is a child header" is the privacy risk and surveillance risk. I don't think it's worth it.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Devil's advocate argument: if they were giving you something in return, and that could be cash, but it might also be "you can have this content for free". In the UK a few news sites have changed cookie banners to "you can accept and see this stuff for free, or you can sign up for a subscription, which would you prefer?". It's the only time I hit accept (and then clear browser history). If blanket preferences from bro…

> but it might also be "you can have this content for free". ads don't require invasve and pervasive tracking

Effective ads absolutely require knowing more about the user than the context on the page it's a 1-2 orders of magnitude revenue difference for the publisher per-impression.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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> it’s well-understood that very few people actually read those things, they just want to get them out of the way. This is a jaw-drop moment for me every single time I observe someone else using the web and quickly clicking "accept" on every single cookie banners that pops up, without ever wasting a second even reading what they're accepting. It's mind boggling to me. Sure, I'm in IT, so surely I'm more aware of data…

if ever there were a need for a small local ai plugin...

I suggest looking at "consent-O-matic" which might not be AI but takes care of the issue for you

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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How to know if they actually read it? The signature implies that the contract has been read, understood, and accepted. I see no need for any alternative mechanism.

Well for instance if the other party is pressuring you to sign it then it can't be assumed that you had adequate time to read it and understand it

Contract law of every civilised land already has a process for considering and accounting for duress.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

#320

The other approach to killing the cookie banner is simply to declare that such a thing cannot constitute “informed consent”. (Perhaps: “ticking a checkbox and/or clicking a button cannot constitute informed consent”; and see what they try next.) From a factual perspective, I honestly think that shouldn’t be controversial: it’s well-understood that very few people actually read those things, they just want to get them…

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