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Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by an0malous »

wat10000 wrote: post #151
an0malous wrote: post #7

Why are these drones so easy to shoot down, but the ones invading airspaces over nuclear bases and other sensitive installations hundreds of times for months all over Europe and the east coast of the US were never shot down or tracked even once?

Because those weren’t drones, they were people noticing for the first time that there are airplanes in the sky.

Dozens of sensitive military bases, nuclear facilities, and airports reported incursions and some shut down their air spaces in response, are you saying the Air Force, NORTHCOM, and airport air traffic control don’t know what airplanes are? The Coast Guard and NJ state police also reported sightings and even pursued some of the drones.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by an0malous »

ozarkerD wrote: post #10
an0malous wrote: post #7

Why are these drones so easy to shoot down, but the ones invading airspaces over nuclear bases and other sensitive installations hundreds of times for months all over Europe and the east coast of the US were never shot down or tracked even once?

Because they were being flown by their respective governments.

They shut down their own airports and military bases because their own craft were flying over them?

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by alephnerd »

rjzzleep wrote: post #167
alephnerd wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Romania is spending a lot of cash on defense measures for drones and other armament Some of this is going to be stalled - Romania was planning on deploying the Iron Dome [0] and Spyder [1] for AD which was going to be co-produced by Volkswagen in their German factories that were on the chopping block, but Qatar (Volkswagen's largest minority shareholder with 17% voting share) blocked that deal [2]. [0] - https://ww…

Iron Dome is designed for protecting from home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip. And according to research the main reason for the low casualty rate is actually the early warning. How exactly is it supposed to help with real missiles and drones? How do these scams keep happening? Why doesn't anyone care how their taxpayer money is spent?

> home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip

Homemade bottle rockets are a 2000s era Israel thing. Now it's Ababeel, Mohajer, Shahed, Arash and other Iranian drones deployed in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran. The same kinds of drones being used in Ukraine and operated by Iranian personnel [0][1][2] that are also the same make as the drones shot down in Romania as well as Poland.

Ukraine also gave us intel linking Iranian strike capacity with Russia [3] and Russia has previously offered to stop giving Iran geoint and strike intel in return for the US stopping geoint and strike intel sharing with Ukraine, which the US rejected [4].

[0] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/10/8024839/

[1] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/

[2] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373119/

[3] - https://xcancel.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2081074329115078813#m

[4] - https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran...

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by ceejayoz »

sunaookami wrote: post #164
yls wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is not owned by the government, rather by the state. In a democracy, how is this a bad thing?

>Since 2008 the channel has been wholly owned by the French government Explain to me why reading news from the state is a good thing? Kinda shocked that people here applaud state-owned media (there is no difference between "government-owned" or "state-owned").

I tend to prefer public media over corporate media. It’s not like the Murdochs are more trustworthy than Macron.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by Waterluvian »

Insanity wrote: post #16

Given how poor their Ukrainian war is going, this is a strange move. I guess it’s mostly just posturing?

The logic I’ve heard is that one of the more palatable defeat conditions for Russia is that they’d rather lose to NATO than Ukraine. So they’re fine to push limits because even the worst case scenario gives them better options.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by wat10000 »

an0malous wrote: post #171
wat10000 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because those weren’t drones, they were people noticing for the first time that there are airplanes in the sky.

Dozens of sensitive military bases, nuclear facilities, and airports reported incursions and some shut down their air spaces in response, are you saying the Air Force, NORTHCOM, and airport air traffic control don’t know what airplanes are? The Coast Guard and NJ state police also reported sightings and even pursued some of the drones.

Yep. Officials aren't immune to mass hysteria, and there's immense pressure to assume the worst "out of an abundance of caution."

"Having closely examined the technical data and tips from concerned citizens, we [DHS, FBI, FAA, and DoD] assess that the sightings to date include a combination of lawful commercial drones, hobbyist drones, and law enforcement drones, as well as manned fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters, and stars mistakenly reported as drones. We have not identified anything anomalous and do not assess the activity to date to present a national security or public safety risk over the civilian airspace in New Jersey or other states in the northeast."

Either they were wrong about the nature of the sightings when they happened or they were wrong afterwards, there's no world in which they got it right the whole way through. So the only question is which way they got it wrong. I see no reason to believe that they were correct in the moment and wrong afterwards.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by fractallyte »

themgt wrote: post #90

It's not World War 3. It's just two increasingly overlapping unsolvable wars involving two increasingly coherent geopolitical blocs consisting of dozens of countries spanning three continents, most major nuclear powers holding 95% of global nuclear stockpiles and the vast majority of global military spending and resources, with nuclear-capable cruise, ballistic, and hypersonic missiles flying back and forth, attacks…

russia's invasion of Ukraine is absolutely solvable. It's just a disgrace that Ukraine is left to do it alone, with huge casualties (civilian as well as military), and inconceivable destruction.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by bananamogul »

ceejayoz wrote: post #175
sunaookami wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Since 2008 the channel has been wholly owned by the French government Explain to me why reading news from the state is a good thing? Kinda shocked that people here applaud state-owned media (there is no difference between "government-owned" or "state-owned").

I tend to prefer public media over corporate media. It’s not like the Murdochs are more trustworthy than Macron.

Interesting how people like it use sympathetic terms (“public media”) while those who don’t use pejorative terms (“state-owned”, “government-run”).

I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just observing the language.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by exDM69 »

mike_hock wrote: post #131
malfist wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To strip away your rhetoric, you are saying it is Ukraine's fault for Russian drones flying into Romania.

The only loaded rhetoric is coming from you, I merely stated what the incentives are. Note that the situation is somewhat symmetric in that Russia also has an incentive to misdirect Ukrainian drones toward NATO airspace (which has happened).

> misdirect Ukrainian drones toward NATO airspace (which has happened).

Claims to such effect has been made in public by reputable persons but they are not very credible nor has any supporting evidence been shown in public.

Drones getting lost due to GNSS jamming is happening.

But intentional misdirection towards a target would require GNSS spoofing capabilities over an impractically large area and that the drones would be susceptible to simple spoofing. They have satellite navigation, inertial navigation, terrain following cameras and listen to ground based radio sources like cell towers and are designed to operate in hostile RF environment. Just sending a fake GPS signal (several of them) won't make the drone divert to a specific target or direction.

I'm not buying the misdirection story until more compelling evidence is made public.

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