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Re: JetZero

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Post by xnx »

rc5150 wrote: post #115
noduerme wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been that guy, but only if the scenery is interesting. Still, my attitude is that at noon, people don't need to have a blanket placed over their cage like parrots to make them sleep. I also was on a flight once that had a very bouncy landing with all the windows down - when I didn't realize we were anywhere near the ground yet. I'm not into tuning out reality to that degree, and don't really feel obligated to he…

On a airplane, one man's noon is another man's 4am. Your attitude is socially problematic.

Eye masks allow everyone to control their personal light level without making other people responsible.

Re: JetZero

#202

Post by xnx »

rapnie wrote: post #147
azza2110 wrote: post #22

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No way. Looking out the window is one of the joys of flying. Picking out my house, seeing tiny cars on a remote highway, etc. Even 100+ MP cameras and high resolution screens won't come close to that level of detail.

Make the entire hull 'transparent' by wall covering screens. Think The Sphere in Vegas. Some fans to blow the wind through your hair, and now you are gladly paying extra for the bird-like experience ;)

Airplanes might be one of the least ridiculous spaces to wear VR headsets in public.

Re: JetZero

#203

Post by port11 »

wxw wrote: post #35

Haven't heard of this company before. A good synopsis I dug up in their fundraising announcement: > JetZero, co-founded in 2020 by start-up veteran Tom O’Leary and aerospace legend Mark Page, is developing the world’s first commercial all-wing airplane. With up to 50% better fuel efficiency and lower carbon emissions compared to existing commercial airliners, JetZero's Z4 will offer the aviation industry a clear path…

Dumb question but if the all-wing design has major advantages (and basically no negatives?), why haven't we been pursuing this for a long time?

You’re telling me that just recently a random startup thought they’d work on it? It’s not exactly startup territory…

Re: JetZero

#204

Post by port11 »

dbspin wrote: post #174
johanvts wrote: post #150

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Just stop subsidizing flying, maybe even tax the fuel a fraction of the value it’s destroying and I bet most of flying will suddenly turn out to actually be completely avoidable.

Insane take - this is just ensuring that the only people who get to enjoy travel are the rich. Nothing in our society is improved by taking a privilege that's widely enjoyed and restricting it to the wealthy or very wealthy.

It’s a privilege with most externalities _not_ taken into account, i.e. it’s hurting us all because we ignore its true cost and make it available in vast quantities.

Since the global South will suffer the most from climate change, they might disagree with developed nations ‘subsiding’ flights.

Re: JetZero

#205

Post by port11 »

jtwaleson wrote: post #159
CalRobert wrote: post #148

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In many instances there are alternatives. Amsterdam to Berlin is served by good rail (except when DB are crappy) and flight options. NYC to DC or Boston. Maybe, someday, SF to LA, and others.

IMHO you can remove the "good" and "except when". DB is 30% of the time a frustrating experience, which I've noticed makes me want to avoid it, even though I love trains. Trains in the rest of Western Europe are pretty great!

Boy what happened to DB since 2022? That was when I last travelled in Germany and I was never able to relate to everyone’s online complaints about them.

Did Berlin to Nessau through small routes: wonderful. Berlin to Prague? Stellar, if long. Berlin to Munich? Amazing all 4-5 times, unless they forget to stock up on soft pretzels.

Re: JetZero

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Post by port11 »

iamwil wrote: post #103

What I really want, is a plane that can load passengers like containers--or like a rollercoaster car. Of course, it should be comfortable. I just mean that the passenger compartment should be modular. So you can put your luggage in and get settled while sitting in the airport, and then when the plane comes in, it just side-loads everyone all at once. Once landed, it just slides everyone off, and you can just I know t…

I would argue that the most wastage is in how people embark and disembark. During Covid I flew a few times back home and they did line-by-line from the middle through both doors, and that was quite good and efficient.

Re: JetZero

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YorickPeterse wrote: post #200
iamwil wrote: post #103

What I really want, is a plane that can load passengers like containers--or like a rollercoaster car. Of course, it should be comfortable. I just mean that the passenger compartment should be modular. So you can put your luggage in and get settled while sitting in the airport, and then when the plane comes in, it just side-loads everyone all at once. Once landed, it just slides everyone off, and you can just I know t…

I think that's called a train.

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Re: JetZero

#208

Post by echelon »

port11 wrote: post #203
wxw wrote: post #35

Haven't heard of this company before. A good synopsis I dug up in their fundraising announcement: > JetZero, co-founded in 2020 by start-up veteran Tom O’Leary and aerospace legend Mark Page, is developing the world’s first commercial all-wing airplane. With up to 50% better fuel efficiency and lower carbon emissions compared to existing commercial airliners, JetZero's Z4 will offer the aviation industry a clear path…

Dumb question but if the all-wing design has major advantages (and basically no negatives?), why haven't we been pursuing this for a long time? You’re telling me that just recently a random startup thought they’d work on it? It’s not exactly startup territory…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blended_wing_body

No windows

Evacuation issues

Won't work in some airports

Nausea inducing

... It's not without issues.

Re: JetZero

#210

Post by notahacker »

echelon wrote: post #208
port11 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb question but if the all-wing design has major advantages (and basically no negatives?), why haven't we been pursuing this for a long time? You’re telling me that just recently a random startup thought they’d work on it? It’s not exactly startup territory…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blended_wing_body No windows Evacuation issues Won't work in some airports Nausea inducing ... It's not without issues.

Yep. I'd say the way forward for testing is the freighter, which doesn't have evacuation issues, doesn't unload at passenger airbridges and (if packed properly) doesn't have the same sensitivity to rolling motions.

But freighters generally have lower utilization on less price-sensitive routes, so operators tend not to care so much about fuel economy (and for related reasons, usually aren't new aircraft). So however much easier the route to certification might be, it's a horrible market...

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