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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by ignoramous »

ethersteeds wrote: post #126

> Scott was the CEO of Docker, and led that through a really challenging time that began with Docker’s own enterprise-vs.-developer identity crisis and ended with them blowing the doors off the business. Did Docker "blew the doors off the business"? Does he mean that in a Boeing sense?

Scott was instrumental in turning around Docker (which was "broken" [0]), after a $23m Series B raise from Arjun Sethi at Tribe Capital: https://medium.com/better-programming/the-greatest-startup-t... / https://archive.vn/loTwW

[0] Some interesting remarks on it by Bryan Cantrill: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28460504

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

hahahaa wrote: post #130
tptacek wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm being serious, not trying to dunk, but can you get me to the place where DX has upped its game to the point where Claude can't just do it?

Let's take Jira for example. Why do people use that instead of one shotting "Build me Jira" into their AI. A story as old as the hills: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 Having x y z set up for you and maintained is kinda useful because you can focus on α And no Claude is not AGI so you need to babysit to get that done.

Do you think Jira is going to survive this moment? I don't. I've never met anybody who likes Jira.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by conradfr »

seemaze wrote: post #39
conradfr wrote: post #22

> because your laptop stops running when you close the lid. There's a world outside Apple.

Macs let you disable suspend just like (or possibly better) than any other operating system. The point being made is that it's the wrong tool for the job, precisely because of the user desired compromises made to create a great mobile computer.

Where is that option?

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by chubot »

ignoramous wrote: post #131
ethersteeds wrote: post #126

> Scott was the CEO of Docker, and led that through a really challenging time that began with Docker’s own enterprise-vs.-developer identity crisis and ended with them blowing the doors off the business. Did Docker "blew the doors off the business"? Does he mean that in a Boeing sense?

Scott was instrumental in turning around Docker (which was "broken" [0]), after a $23m Series B raise from Arjun Sethi at Tribe Capital: https://medium.com/better-programming/the-greatest-startup-t... / https://archive.vn/loTwW [0] Some interesting remarks on it by Bryan Cantrill: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28460504

OK yes thanks for that link

Speaking personally, the fate of Docker, Inc. was clear to me when they took their $40M Series C round in 2014. I had met with Solomon in April 2014 (after their $15M Series B) and tried to tell him what I had learned at Joyent: that raising a ton of money without having a concrete and repeatable business would almost inevitably lead to poor decision making

And it's hard not to see the same pattern here: https://fly.io/blog/we-raised-a-bunch-of-money/ - June 2023

This past July, we raised $25MM from A16Z and our existing investors, including Intel Capital and Dell. Recently, we raised an additional $70MM led by EQT Ventures.

Basically Scott Johnston is the guy that recoups money for investors, and in Docker's case, I recall that involved clawing back some value from users

From OP: As a shareholder of Fly.io, for this stage in Fly.io’s lifecycle, I liked his playbook better than mine. As the CEO of Fly.io, I liked the prospect of him doing all this work more than I liked the prospect of me doing it. We took a lot of time to work this out, and ultimately the board and I convinced him to take the job.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by ignoramous »

ericpauley wrote: post #73
ofjcihen wrote: post #55

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Can second this. I had an enterprise client that was interested in using these for fast development etc. Wasn’t my project or the reason I was there but I was curious so I kept up with it. Eventually they abandoned the company but stuck with the concept by going with another company. Complaints were the same, extremely buggy interface, dataloss, but also terrible support. That may have been there fault though for not…

I won't claim strong enthusiasm for Sprites, but in my experience (albeit way back in 2021) Fly's support was absolutely top-notch, up to and including Kurt personally working with me to help debug our deployments. This was as a small business only billing a few hundred a month.

> Kurt personally working with me to help debug our deployments

Typical Kurt in Founder Mode. For the first 3+ years (immediately following their "launch hn"), Kurt was almost ever present in the forums.

> claim strong enthusiasm for Sprites

Fly.io has had their own share of problems with various features they've built, but once the lego blocks fit & click, there isn't a New Cloud better at DX than it. Though, like TFA points out, the world since Opus 4 has looked very, very different.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #109
john_strinlai wrote: post #107

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> I can't judge how snarky I'm being overall okay, well, then this is me telling you that overall, the comment with the fake apology came across as really snarky. > Are you super worried about AGI? no. i typically agree with your takes on ai. i usually just happily ignore your tone and enjoy the substance of your comments but i thought this particular exchange from you was exceptionally odd so i commented on it.

I am paying attention to what you're saying but I think if you look at the context of this thread and take a beat you might sense, like I do, that the bar for charity is a bump or two lower than it normally is.

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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by dijksterhuis »

tptacek wrote: post #109
john_strinlai wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't judge how snarky I'm being overall okay, well, then this is me telling you that overall, the comment with the fake apology came across as really snarky. > Are you super worried about AGI? no. i typically agree with your takes on ai. i usually just happily ignore your tone and enjoy the substance of your comments but i thought this particular exchange from you was exceptionally odd so i commented on it.

I am paying attention to what you're saying but I think if you look at the context of this thread and take a beat you might sense, like I do, that the bar for charity is a bump or two lower than it normally is.

> this was amazing post. i enjoyed reading it, it was relevant to some work stuff i was battling with. the linked articles at the end were amazing too. i had tonnes of respect for fly.io and yourself because of these posts. technically informative, clear, engaging. great stuff.

i deliberately pointed out past praise and respect i had for your writing. i made an effort to go out of my way to provide an example of good stuff. as someone said in the andrew kelley black pill youtube comments -- people are a package. i too can be abrasive, dismissive, arrogant etc. i am a flawed human being too. so, in the spirit of not being a complete fucking dick i decided to point out something good you have written.

i'm highly critical of the article in question. i have the freedom and right to be critical of it, whether or not you think it's one of your best pieces of writing. and your general tone in this thread (and previous threads) has only solidified my view.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by 0123456789ABCDE »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #60
simonw wrote: post #38

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Sprites are about more than just providing an environment for Claude Code et al to run code in. They're also useful for anyone who's building their own product that needs an inexpensive way to execute unsafe code.

> execute unsafe code. I have a question regarding sprites but when executing unsafe code, because by definition its unsafe, what happens if the code violates terms of service of fly/sprites. Would only that particular sprite be removed or would it escalate to whole account level ban and the risks attached to it or would they take a look at repeated offenders. from fly's terms of service Section 1.4(d) and section 9.…

ignoring the TOS angle

unsafe code is likely being used as in unsafe rust, which is different from exploit code

certainly the wording seems to leave the door open for potentially compromised code as in supply-chain attack credential stealer or prompt injection data exfiltration, but sprites are not marketed as sandboxes for malware detonation

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