The big news here is that Googlebot will be blocked from September 15th onwards by one the "block training" policies, because Google use the same crawler infrastructure for their search index AND for training Gemini: > Another change that will apply on September 15 is that multi-purpose crawlers (specifically those that combine Search with Training) will be allowed/blocked according to all of their behaviors, in line…
Good. Google's approach here is manifestly predator, unfair, and IMO illegal. They deserve to be in court for this behaviour, and mandating owners give consent for AI training or drop out of Google; which is just a non-starter because they're a search monopoly. That's exactly what antitrust laws are supposed to do, and I hope at least EU regulators take action. Every single Googlebot crawl in your access logs is a tr…
Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
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Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#52I dont get this. The question is are they a bot or a human. It doesnt matter what they are doing I dont want bots on my site.
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
We had googlebot blast a random customer system and almost cause an outage, this is when I first learnt that google will use it for AI training also. It's honestly kind of frustrating also because you then search on it and theres (was) nothing on how you are meant to "correctly" tell google to fuck off, and not use it like that.
Google's web scraping functionality has been acting as a ddos for more than two decades. I've seen literally hundreds of reports of them attacking websites and taking them down, where there's nothing you can do but accept the traffic, or get delisted This is unfortunately nothing new. There's no correct way to tell them to fuck off, they do not care, and they never will do. People have even taken them to court over t…
Also I should note there are lots of fake Googlebots...
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#54> For all new domains onboarding to Cloudflare, the categories of Training and Agent will be blocked by default on the pages that display ads, while Search will remain allowed by default. It's kind of exhausting seeing Cloudflare playing both sides of the arms race. I just can't imagine bringing myself to use their technology to build agents and build AI products when they're also doing things like this. > This also…
How are they playing both sides? I thought their scraping products were also about having it behave and not take down systems
"Block on pages with ads" is probably about preventing the AI crawlers from clicking on the ads which maybe considered cheating by the ad company.
If you want to prevent "bot attacks", maybe the "Block" option will do the trick.
But of course, to do all that you need to put some trust on Cloudflare, because they're the one identifying the bots from normal users.
For me, as someone who's hosting a Gitea instance behind Cloudflare, I have a Configuration Rule set that says: if the client is trying to access a URL that is beyond certain length limit, then trigger "Browser Integrity Check" and "I’m Under Attack", a.k.a stricter security checks.
The match expression of the rule looked something like this:
(
len(http.request.uri) > !!!!!SET LENGTH LIMIT!!!!! and
not lower(http.request.uri.path) contains ".git/" and
not lower(http.request.uri.path) contains "api/"
)
(The `!!!!!SET LENGTH LIMIT!!!!!` is an integer of the length limit you wanted to set)This rule alone basically blocked all abusive bot traffic to almost zero for my site (https://i.imgur.com/LaOjjvV.png, see the traffic drop around 10 clock and Cloudflare mitigation kicks in).
But of course, you need to figure out your own rules based on the characteristic of the website. Also, you can be more creative: for example, my actual rule is more complex than that, it also checks to see if a cookie is not set, and only triggers when all condition are met:
(
len(http.request.uri) > !!!!!SET LENGTH LIMIT!!!!! and
not lower(http.request.uri.path) contains ".git/" and
not lower(http.request.uri.path) contains "api/" and
not http.cookie wildcard "*!!!!!COOKIE NAME!!!!!=!!!!!COOKIE VALUE!!!!!*"
)
then, as part two of that rule, I have a Response Header Transform Rules that says: (
len(http.request.uri)
and if this Response Header Transform Rules is triggered, it sets the cookie `!!!!!COOKIE NAME!!!!!=!!!!!COOKIE VALUE!!!!!`.(Note: `!!!!!COOKIE NAME!!!!!` and `!!!!!COOKIE VALUE!!!!!` are the variables you need to customize)
When you put the two rules together, it forces clients to access "shallow" (short URL) pages first as an user would normally do, before they can access "deeper" (long URL) content hosted on the site without triggering more strict security checks. If that makes sense.
Also, don't forget the cookie basically also dug a hole in the security setting. So it's really a balance between avoid annoying the user and protect your site. You need to be smart and be flexible about it, otherwise your users will just leave.
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#55The big news here is that Googlebot will be blocked from September 15th onwards by one the "block training" policies, because Google use the same crawler infrastructure for their search index AND for training Gemini: > Another change that will apply on September 15 is that multi-purpose crawlers (specifically those that combine Search with Training) will be allowed/blocked according to all of their behaviors, in line…
We had googlebot blast a random customer system and almost cause an outage, this is when I first learnt that google will use it for AI training also. It's honestly kind of frustrating also because you then search on it and theres (was) nothing on how you are meant to "correctly" tell google to fuck off, and not use it like that.
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#56Please consider installing one of the many PoW schemes such as anubis rather than use these cloudflare "features". I increasingly encounter outright blocks rather than any sort of captcha when visiting cloudflare "protected" sites. Each individual site isn't particularly important to me but it's depressing to watch the process unfold like this. You really are choosing to erode the core basis of the internet if you go…
PoW schemes like Anubis don't work. Increasingly bots are using headless browsers and are basically able to solve captchas, proof-of-work(s) and basically bypass all any any attempts to block them. It's becoming impossible to stop bots from hammering your sites/services for unwanted traffic.
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#57The big news here is that Googlebot will be blocked from September 15th onwards by one the "block training" policies, because Google use the same crawler infrastructure for their search index AND for training Gemini: > Another change that will apply on September 15 is that multi-purpose crawlers (specifically those that combine Search with Training) will be allowed/blocked according to all of their behaviors, in line…
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#58Please consider installing one of the many PoW schemes such as anubis rather than use these cloudflare "features". I increasingly encounter outright blocks rather than any sort of captcha when visiting cloudflare "protected" sites. Each individual site isn't particularly important to me but it's depressing to watch the process unfold like this. You really are choosing to erode the core basis of the internet if you go…
>I increasingly encounter outright blocks rather than any sort of captcha when visiting cloudflare "protected" sites. ??? Unless you're browsing around with the googlebot user agent string, you should be getting turnstile challanges at most, not blocks. And if you're getting a turnstile challenge it's unclear how it's different than an anubis challenge. If you're outright blocked, it's probably a site decision (eg. b…
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#59Please consider installing one of the many PoW schemes such as anubis rather than use these cloudflare "features". I increasingly encounter outright blocks rather than any sort of captcha when visiting cloudflare "protected" sites. Each individual site isn't particularly important to me but it's depressing to watch the process unfold like this. You really are choosing to erode the core basis of the internet if you go…
Re: Cloudflare's new AI traffic options for customers
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
PoW schemes like Anubis don't work. Increasingly bots are using headless browsers and are basically able to solve captchas, proof-of-work(s) and basically bypass all any any attempts to block them. It's becoming impossible to stop bots from hammering your sites/services for unwanted traffic.
The most recent captchas that involve basic reasoning can block majority of bots today.