How can they even tell code was written by AI instead of a human?
LLM Usage in Debian: Three Proposals
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#92How can they even tell code was written by AI instead of a human?
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#93How can they even tell code was written by AI instead of a human?
> Other projects exploring similar decisions have elicited a common reply: "How will you enforce a ban on LLM contributions?" While enforcement could be a challenge, this is a statement of intent by the Debian community, and we trust this community to adhere to it in good faith.
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#94Curious what the "use" or "assistance" of LLM models means. I mostly use Gemini as a front-end to search Google without getting ads or SEO garbage, would that be forbidden?
Even if they wanted to forbid that, how would they even detect it?
Some people want to uphold the rule even if they can't be caught.
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#95Gentoo chose to ban LLMs two years ago. They seem to be doing well.
Funny because out of all the distros, Gentoo benefits from LLM usage, at least as a power user. I have fixed many-an-issues just having LLMs write patches in a way that portage automatically builds them, or rapidly put together ebuilds. I respect upstream decision though and don't share my changes (and realistically who would want them)
This tracks with what I do too (also a gentoo power user). My personal overlay is much healthier thanks to LLMs, but I don’t use it for writing code for personal use. It’s just not fun.
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#96I think when we're talking about mature software, LLMs aren't the problem. It's the lack of discussion justifying the change. LLMs don't necessarily lower code quality. They put a spotlight on people "just going through the motions".
When the changes are small and properly reviewed, there's no point in caring how it was done. It should be trivial to write, but difficult to approve and merge.
Projects as significant as Debian should own the fact that they are indeed a bureaucracy and take inspiration from what has always worked long before LLMs.
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#97Gentoo chose to ban LLMs two years ago. They seem to be doing well.
I've been running Gentoo for 20 years. What you consider "Gentoo" is simply the package manager and "ebuilds"; instructions to build upstream packages. Right now I'm using LLMs to make my own ebuilds and maintain them. The packages I am compiling are basically vanilla upstream Linux packages. It is laughable to suggest Gentoo doesn't use AI made code because upstream already has it.
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#98This is ridiculos, think about that, will Debian project survive without a Linux kernel written with the help of LLM tools?
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#99This is ridiculos, think about that, will Debian project survive without a Linux kernel written with the help of LLM tools?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny because out of all the distros, Gentoo benefits from LLM usage, at least as a power user. I have fixed many-an-issues just having LLMs write patches in a way that portage automatically builds them, or rapidly put together ebuilds. I respect upstream decision though and don't share my changes (and realistically who would want them)
This tracks with what I do too (also a gentoo power user). My personal overlay is much healthier thanks to LLMs, but I don’t use it for writing code for personal use. It’s just not fun.
6 months ago I would not have considered Gentoo for my work laptop but LLMs have unlocked my ability to do so. Wrestling with Linux is no longer constantly Googling with no end in sight. My work setup right now is _perfect_. I can't emphasis enough. I even built a gui for the VPN where non existed before.