Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d love a shed sized battery sitting on the corner of my property if it could give me 5-7 days of power.
That would you pay for that shed size battery?
GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
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Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#32My company operates two Jupiter Power owned LFP batteries in the MISO market. Each of them draws .5 - 2MW constantly for the HVAC system. If the cost for sodium batteries is similar to LFP, that alone would be a reason to switch.
Not an expert, but from what I read the expectation is for sodium ion batteries to get substantially cheaper than lithium, mainly due to material cost. Lithium makes up 0.002% of the Earth's crust, meanwhile sodium is 2.36%, and there's quite a lot of it in the ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth... The main downside is power density, which for grid storage is not as big a deal as it i…
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#33My company operates two Jupiter Power owned LFP batteries in the MISO market. Each of them draws .5 - 2MW constantly for the HVAC system. If the cost for sodium batteries is similar to LFP, that alone would be a reason to switch.
> If the cost for sodium batteries is similar to LFP, that alone would be a reason to switch. Why would that be a reason to switch, given the LFP batteries typically have better operational parameters in everything except cold-weather charging?
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#34I want to replace my Lithium home battery, and what I really want to do it to move to one of the new sodium ion batteries..e.g like the one CATL is supposed to have at some point? Anyone have a good idea when these will be available for consumers?
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Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an expert, but from what I read the expectation is for sodium ion batteries to get substantially cheaper than lithium, mainly due to material cost. Lithium makes up 0.002% of the Earth's crust, meanwhile sodium is 2.36%, and there's quite a lot of it in the ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth... The main downside is power density, which for grid storage is not as big a deal as it i…
AT grid scale, sodium quickly closes the gap on lithium. The safety overhead, active cooling, and physical spacing needed to control lithium’s thermal runaway risk eat away most of its energy density advantage. Plus, CATL is hitting cost parity between full sodium BESS and LFP BESS systems.
This makes financing a large grid scale storage plant look way better to the bean counters because the investment continues to work and make money, after the 5 year amortization, typical of a corporate investment. This will be the kicker IMHO.
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an expert, but from what I read the expectation is for sodium ion batteries to get substantially cheaper than lithium, mainly due to material cost. Lithium makes up 0.002% of the Earth's crust, meanwhile sodium is 2.36%, and there's quite a lot of it in the ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth... The main downside is power density, which for grid storage is not as big a deal as it i…
I’d love a shed sized battery sitting on the corner of my property if it could give me 5-7 days of power.
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#37Keep in mind, we could have had local Na-Ion battery production in the US. The company producing them needed about $5m of bridge loans, with products already sitting in warehouses awaiting the UL certification. This company got sold for scrap.
Like, that's not an unreasonable size of loan for a regional expansion for medium-sized businesses; there should be some sort of lender interested in doing that for them.
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an expert, but from what I read the expectation is for sodium ion batteries to get substantially cheaper than lithium, mainly due to material cost. Lithium makes up 0.002% of the Earth's crust, meanwhile sodium is 2.36%, and there's quite a lot of it in the ocean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth... The main downside is power density, which for grid storage is not as big a deal as it i…
I’d love a shed sized battery sitting on the corner of my property if it could give me 5-7 days of power.
Re: GM Backs Sodium Ion Batteries for U.S. Grid Storage
#39Keep in mind, we could have had local Na-Ion battery production in the US. The company producing them needed about $5m of bridge loans, with products already sitting in warehouses awaiting the UL certification. This company got sold for scrap.
Given that $5 million is not that much in the heavy industry game, I'd like to know why they couldn't get the bridge loans. Like, that's not an unreasonable size of loan for a regional expansion for medium-sized businesses; there should be some sort of lender interested in doing that for them.