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Turn And Face The Strange

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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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And the way you compete is be cheap enough and DX. Because Lambda.

Why are you so sure "DX" is the right way to compete with commodity full-stack hosting? Have you had Claude deploy on AWS recently? It one-shots deployments just fine.

DX ups its game.

You got claude to deploy. Cool.

I clicked a button in my PaaS and I have an oncall responder and incident manager ready to go.

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Saw this on my RSS feed and was surprised to see it hasn't been discussed yet on HN - fly.io used to be on the front page pretty regularly with some pretty big comment threads, but I had to go back over a year to find anything from them with more than a handful of comments. I guess they've become less relevant on here since they stopped allowing new users to host apps for free?

they lost a lot of aura among folks i know with the 'ai skeptics are nuts' article[1]. haven't read a blog post since. [1] https://fly.io/blog/youre-all-nuts/

the way certain people at that company speak to others (e.g. that post) is why they will never count me as a customer. although im sure they dont care.

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Sprites seems like a solid lifestyle business for a few friends, not a startup that has taken funding.

As a developer, I use docker/podman. Works great.

The new massive market that will open up, where grandma and grandpa are making apps, will be taken up by Lovable (and the like). Non-devs will not be using sprites.

You’re capturing some small percentage of existing developers.

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I've played around with a few sprites and it's a very interesting concept. You ssh in and then it feels very much like a local development environment, except the dev server you start up and run locally is actually out there and accessible. It's a great way to vibe code a low traffic, personal site. I wasn't super clear on just how much scale it actually can reach, though. Maybe I missed it but I didn't really know how beefy of a server it was on or if I could scale up. But maybe a big scale is not really the intention of this product?

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Sprites are a beautiful place to make an abstraction. But I have never used a buggier infrastructure product in 30 years of development than when I tried sprites. Data loss left and right, sprites going into unconnectable zombie mode. Couldn't use even load snapshots because half the system seemed to think the sprite was fine, and half seemed to think it was dead. I gave up after two weeks of losing stuff over lunch…

Can second this. I had an enterprise client that was interested in using these for fast development etc. Wasn’t my project or the reason I was there but I was curious so I kept up with it. Eventually they abandoned the company but stuck with the concept by going with another company. Complaints were the same, extremely buggy interface, dataloss, but also terrible support. That may have been there fault though for not…

> (and not mentioning that they were an F200 or something).

I am not a F200 company or anything, just a normal guy but I have the opinion that I personally like the companies who treat normal accounts and the general experience/support. I have just felt like as if its a good litmus test depending on things. What are your opinion on things and was the enterprise client opening up a normal account intentionally similar to line of thinking or for other reasons?

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do you remember writing this? https://fly.io/blog/carving-the-scheduler-out-of-our-orchest... this was amazing post. i enjoyed reading it, it was relevant to some work stuff i was battling with. the linked articles at the end were amazing too. i had tonnes of respect for fly.io and yourself because of these posts. technically informative, clear, engaging. great stuff. the llm post? complete polar opposite. > I would…

I'm not being snarky. I genuinely do not care about AGI. It's weird to watch people write as if I'm trying to back away from that article or hedge or whatever. I expect to wrap my career up at some point and look at that post as one of the better and more valuable things I've ever written.

>I'm not being snarky

"I would like to take this moment to apologize to you, personally, for not giving a shit about "AGI"."

appears to be dripping with snark

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> We’re launching a new iteration of Sprites, and focusing the company on them and the problem they solve. And I’m tagging in Scott Johnston as CEO. Hard for me to see this as anything other than fly.io committing suicide. AI sandboxes are a crowded product space, basically a complete commodity at this point, and the new CEO will likely focus on profit to the detriment of creative vision. Happy to be proven wrong tho…

The AI sandbox play also confuses me because (aside from the fractional pay-as-you-use billing) it's trivially implemented on top of any VM/container as a service provider. Given the reduced importance of data retention (the containers are disposable) and ability to redo work trivially you can even go a step further and have your agent spin it up on bare metal. Turns out agents spend most of their time waiting on GPUs so with memory dedup on your own similar workloads you can run "hundreds" of them on pretty minimal hardware.

I also don't see how the cloud-for-agents will break the AWS monopoly: AWS already is the cloud for agents! As the article notes all the pain of using AWS is trivialized by agents (and IaC).

To me the value now is in building the right tools for agents to make better decisions, not fighting for basis points on hardware margin in the orchestration or model serving layer.

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Can second this. I had an enterprise client that was interested in using these for fast development etc. Wasn’t my project or the reason I was there but I was curious so I kept up with it. Eventually they abandoned the company but stuck with the concept by going with another company. Complaints were the same, extremely buggy interface, dataloss, but also terrible support. That may have been there fault though for not…

> (and not mentioning that they were an F200 or something). I am not a F200 company or anything, just a normal guy but I have the opinion that I personally like the companies who treat normal accounts and the general experience/support. I have just felt like as if its a good litmus test depending on things. What are your opinion on things and was the enterprise client opening up a normal account intentionally similar…

I had some conversations with the lead on the project and his reasoning was something along the lines of “we’ve been suckered into using something with sweetheart attention before only to have the rug pulled when we’re ‘reliant’”.

I also think he might have not wanted the attention that putting the company name on the account might get.

Were those good reasons? Honestly I don’t know, but apparently the experience of using the product spoke for itself.

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This is probably great news. Using Fly at different points along the way has been one of the worst experiences I’ve had in terms of their persistent reliability issues and how they go dark on addressing those issues at times.

Whatever culture Kurt built for Fly, it was the wrong one.

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they lost a lot of aura among folks i know with the 'ai skeptics are nuts' article[1]. haven't read a blog post since. [1] https://fly.io/blog/youre-all-nuts/

Good discussion on the HN thread about that article. To be honest, based on the latest models and agentic engineering, that blog post is definitely right. It's not 2023, 2024, or 2025 anymore, agents have gotten a lot better.

It's not 2023, 2024, or 2025, but LLMs still suck at programming. Just like every other time AI enthusiasts have claimed the latest and greatest is so much better than what came before.
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