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Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by samrus »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #232
98codes wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think the average person actually knows anything concrete about them. The average person around them knows quite a bit about the noise level, and how far it carries. They're starting to learn about the effect consistent noise at that level has on their mental & physical well-being as well.

Town by me had a huge outcry about a proposed data center and how it would ruin the area. Funnily enough there's already data centers on the same street!

Thats what the parent comment said. Older data centers are built more consciously of the surrounding, but these newer ones are being built with no regard for the community and are egregious. For example using on site generators that make alot more noise than the existing on grid datacenters

You gotta read the comment

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by foco_tubi »

socalgal2 wrote: post #156

Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to everything I'm not saying they should want a data center in their backyard but headline wise "not in my backyard" is true of almost everything.

Luckily, at least public opinion toward housing and zoning density is inching towards a YIMBY majority.

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by rsoto2 »

Windchaser wrote: post #318
rsoto2 wrote: post #316

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Where's the guidelines about misinforming people which has actual societal implications? Where are the guidelines for openly promoting products that harm people's mental and social health?

You can view the guidelines here, at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't think you need to attack someone personally, even if you believe they are promoting products that harm people's mental and social health. For most of us following along, it will be enough if you dismantle their arguments. What good does it do for you to harangue them? I think this guideline: "Assume good faith", applies not…

It does zero good "for me" but hopefully someone thinks twice the next time before expressing such a dumb incorrect opinion. Not sure why adults are such precious little creatures that can't deal with a bit of criticism. If being correct was a virtue instead of being nice we wouldn't be backsliding into a world of misinformation in which science is being dismantled and people are lynched on the streets while billionaire corporations use dumb people free propaganda spreaders.

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by kranke155 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #300
Teever wrote: post #257

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Anytime you see someone repeatedly doing a bad thing the reason they're doing it is because they want to do it and there are isn't sufficient push-back or consequences for doing it. Until a country that is defended by nuclear weapons like France decides to send a few jet fighters to force the private jet carrying someone like Musk or Zuckerberg to land so that they can be arrested, tried, and convicted and forced to…

The French government already did this to Pavel Durov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel... , which I'm sure people like Zuckerberg and Musk paid attention to and developed countermeasures for. After the arrest, Telegram started cooperating more with warrants from various countries' national police. Signal has better security and privacy guarantees than Telegram and is probably what ordinar…

Isnt Telegram barely encrypted anyway

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by Rebelgecko »

samrus wrote: post #321
Rebelgecko wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Town by me had a huge outcry about a proposed data center and how it would ruin the area. Funnily enough there's already data centers on the same street!

Thats what the parent comment said. Older data centers are built more consciously of the surrounding, but these newer ones are being built with no regard for the community and are egregious. For example using on site generators that make alot more noise than the existing on grid datacenters You gotta read the comment

This new data center was air-cooled and would use the same grid as existing ones, so I found it funny that the complaints people made about it were either inaccurate or applied just as well to the existing DCs in the area

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by HDBaseT »

concraper wrote: post #118

dual use them into super low latency esports stadiums and let's see how principled people really are

I don't get the connection? The vast population has no care for eSports, yet known "esports stadiums". I'm not even sure what an 'eSport Stadium" is, most major esports events are held out of "traditional" venues.

Re: Most Americans say "not in my backyard" to AI data centers

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Post by Windchaser »

rsoto2 wrote: post #323
Windchaser wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can view the guidelines here, at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't think you need to attack someone personally, even if you believe they are promoting products that harm people's mental and social health. For most of us following along, it will be enough if you dismantle their arguments. What good does it do for you to harangue them? I think this guideline: "Assume good faith", applies not…

It does zero good "for me" but hopefully someone thinks twice the next time before expressing such a dumb incorrect opinion. Not sure why adults are such precious little creatures that can't deal with a bit of criticism. If being correct was a virtue instead of being nice we wouldn't be backsliding into a world of misinformation in which science is being dismantled and people are lynched on the streets while billiona…

> It does zero good "for me" but hopefully someone thinks twice the next time before expressing such a dumb incorrect opinion.

Well, I doubt it's going to change anyone's mind if it violates the community guidelines and then the mods pull it. No?

> Not sure why adults are such precious little creatures that can't deal with a bit of criticism.

In general, folks here will respond better to data-oriented rebuttals, rather than emotionally-driven ones. When you name-call, it brings more hot/negative emotions into it, and the focus shifts away from talking about the evidence, and towards those same hot emotions. It becomes more about the anger or defensiveness and less about the information.

If you want to change minds, then, focus on the evidence.

There's also the wider picture. If you build a community that focuses on evidence, and push away those who prefer abusive language, you'll generally draw more rational people. The discourse you get from those people is more interesting, mentally stimulating, and data-oriented.

On top of that, it's more emotionally healthy to have a community where people respect each other, where we extend good faith and assume that the people we're disagreeing with are fundamentally trying to hold the right views. It's good practice for seeing the humanity in others, and in general it does seem to be true here. Most folks here are indeed interested in coming to the correct position.

The folks here are also more than capable of handling "a bit of criticism", meaning, handling some abusive language coming their way. Indeed, the way they've chosen to handle it is by rejecting it, and saying they prefer to build a better community.

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