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Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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Re: Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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I've bought several of these and they don't last. You're right that they are commodity items. The components and quality are shit, there's no support, and six months later the company has vanished. I guess I just want somewhere between $30 and $500, somewhere between absolutely piece of shit and extreme prestige. But I'm dreaming if I think anyone is going to serve that market

Doesn't Fiio and the like make a bunch of fairly affordable stuff ? Definitely well under 500$

Apparently they do, but I'd never heard of them before this thread

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Are they useable on Windows for loading music?

You can use iTunes on Windows to load music on the stock firmware. If you load Rockbox onto it, it works like a standard MP3 player where all the organization is done at the filesystem level. Note that I don't really see a point in buying an iPod to load Rockbox onto because you can get lots of other standard MP3 players that aren't well over a decade old, such as the Hifi Walker H2. That also gets you other modern f…

> You can use iTunes on Windows to load music

Yuck

Re: Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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That would be "some sort of enthusiast audiophile flac player thing that costs way too much" The entry level Walkman is $400 and only has 32gb internal storage. It's all about flac and hires audio but you're paying through the nose for the brand

In 2005 the iPod with 30 GB of storage was $299 ($511 in today's dollars) so the entry level Walkman is actually fairly comparable to Apple's pricing from back then. You can use some of the $100 you're saving to buy a 256 GB MicroSD card to load more music onto.

The 2005 iPod was state of the art and you couldn't buy a memory card for it. 300 for something with 30gb storage today is a joke

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capitalism is the most efficient system ever the statistic literally says it all, any person that think otherwise its delusional

Is it, though? Rule of thumb: when a fanboy asserts that any person holding an alternative view is defective, you should immediately abandon the fanboy's position and adopt the alternative view. It's heuristically more likely to be correct, and it gets you out of an odious fan club. Case in point: China proceeded through stages of development more efficiently than any western nation. Case in point: South Korea incuba…

Throw the USSR in there as well. Central planning allowed them to leap from an agrarian society to launching Sputnik and putting the first human in space, which spooked us into kickstarting the space race. It wasn’t market incentives that did that.

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capitalism is the most efficient system ever the statistic literally says it all, any person that think otherwise its delusional

Take a breath, you’re having a total knee-jerk reaction. What statistic? So out of thousands of years of human history, we somehow stumbled onto the absolute final, perfect economic system 250 years ago with zero room for upgrade? Makes total sense /s. I’m sure there were those who said feudalism/mercantilism were the most efficient systems ever and we don’t need capitalism. Even Marx was a fan of capitalism, he view…

are you want to move goal post further and further ????

Re: Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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It’s really only economics, there is simply no relevant market for mechanical cassette players that would justify the investment. I don’t think it’s true that the capabilities to make these devices are lost. There are still companies like ALPS that are capable of making the necessary parts. But in the end, the market is too small to justify any investments.

It is not a capitalist conspiracy that there is no portable vinyl turn table that you carry around in a back pack so you can do rucking workouts and listen to vinyl at the same time either.

It is just a stupid idea.

I can picture myself listening to LL Cool J on a walkman in the 80s. I am not old enough for 8 tracks but I would put cassettes as the worst music media of my lifetime.

Maybe if you are into Japanese noise music there would be some kind of aesthetics of a cassette that would be interesting but it is mostly a stupid idea too in 2026.

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Deepl's professional advantage is not in the translation itself (even though it has always been a notch above the rest), but in the UI. You can literally click any word on the translated text and (a) see a list of alternatives, and (b) pick one and then the following text adapts to your choice. In technical terms it lets you stop the transformer at any token, sample alternatives from the probability distribution at t…

I'm not sure if that is what she meant. In any case, it does sound very useful for code. The input becomes messy to represent as text, but prompts don't usually make it into version control, so not much is lost.

I'd bet this is what she meant because I've done professional translation in the past.

The input and output of a GPT it not a sequence of messages in turns: fundamentally the input is the entire context (both from the user and the model), and the output is a probability distribution for 1 single next token.

The chat is only one of many interaction patterns possible with that primitive: one where the "most likely" output token is concatenated to the previous input and this is repeated until a limit is reached or the model produces a special "end of sequence" token.

Representing a more complete interaction pattern as a chat is impossible because the chat abstraction is lossy and could never represent it. Sometimes the abstraction leaks, as with the concept of "temperature", that's not a parameter of the model but of the chat.

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My understanding is there are decent MP3 players by places like Fiio at this point? Haven't used any of em in anger though Though I have a walkman (that kinda sucks cuz it's android.... it's (USB-C AND annoying Android OS) XOR (Proprietary charging cable) from Sony nowadays > Why can't somebody take simple smartphone hardware and make a modern media player that is not a phone? Sony Walkmans are this, along with a bun…

> Sony Walkmans are this The cheapest one I'm seeing is the Sony NW-A306. That's around $600 - I think it fits into the OP's category of "some sort of enthusiast audiophile flac player thing that costs way too much"

dunno where you're looking, they're 400 USD

But also just type "android mp3 player" into Amazon dot com. You'll find plenty of stuff under $100[0]

[0] https://www.amazon.com/4-02-Player-Bluetooth-WiFi-Speakers/d...

Re: Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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Is it, though? Rule of thumb: when a fanboy asserts that any person holding an alternative view is defective, you should immediately abandon the fanboy's position and adopt the alternative view. It's heuristically more likely to be correct, and it gets you out of an odious fan club. Case in point: China proceeded through stages of development more efficiently than any western nation. Case in point: South Korea incuba…

Throw the USSR in there as well. Central planning allowed them to leap from an agrarian society to launching Sputnik and putting the first human in space, which spooked us into kickstarting the space race. It wasn’t market incentives that did that.

The USSR performed _somewhat_ well, but i wouldn't say it clearly outperformed the west given the whole "collapse" thing. I could argue the point, but only weakly.

It's more illuminating to pick the two exemplars, America and China, because they have many parallels

Re: Why Sony can't bring back its classic Walkman models

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Is it, though? Rule of thumb: when a fanboy asserts that any person holding an alternative view is defective, you should immediately abandon the fanboy's position and adopt the alternative view. It's heuristically more likely to be correct, and it gets you out of an odious fan club. Case in point: China proceeded through stages of development more efficiently than any western nation. Case in point: South Korea incuba…

case in point: bringing 2 best example of why capitalism is the best system

Care to explain?
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