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The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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checking in with my kids that just graduated. linked lists aren't really emphasized anymore. languages have built in lists now. they had heard of them, knew what they were, but would probably struggle to do one from scratch. of course i'm old school and kind of think that is basic, but colleges now aren't teaching it much anymore.

If someone can't implement the very simplest Graph Structure, Linked Lists, then I assume they can't implement any linked data structure. Learning variations of Linked Lists is where you start, e.g. https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/

Many working programmers have no need to implement linked data structures in their day to day jobs.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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> It's just a nonissue for most people. I'm not sure how relevant the sentiment of average people are regarding the future. People are generally not well tuned in to any such things. Things just happen to most of us and we spend our lives thinking about gossip and life stuff, family, friends, chores etc., not musing about the future which we have little impact on. Think about people's views on the coronavirus in Febr…

> I'm not sure how relevant the sentiment of average people are regarding the future. They vote. They buy the products. They are the only ones that ARE relevant.

I don't see how that's relevant to the topic at hand. Average people's sentiment is not what will decide on whether jobs will be eliminated or not. It depends on model capabilities and people's self assessment of what's difficult in their own jobs is often massively miscalibrated, because they have no "software brain" and no "ML brain". They simply cannot think ahead. I've talked to people who object to the idea of them being replaceable by AI on the grounds that they have to log in to various GUI programs and (fairly trivially) align two information sources or copy some things from emails into systems where they have to log in separately with a password, and how could AI (which they think of as a chatbot in a browser tab) do all that. They don't know about Claude Code, Codex, the research on computer use (GUIs), anything like this.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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AI is different than previous technologies in that a sufficiently advanced AI can "adopt" itself. That is, it can analyze the situation of a company (asking questions when necessary), describe the benefits, and deploy itself. This sounds like science fiction, but is very plausible in 3 years of trends hold.

> AI is different than previous technologies in that a sufficiently advanced AI can "adopt" itself. Literally does not exist

"very plausible in 3 years of trends hold"

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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AI is different than previous technologies in that a sufficiently advanced AI can "adopt" itself. That is, it can analyze the situation of a company (asking questions when necessary), describe the benefits, and deploy itself. This sounds like science fiction, but is very plausible in 3 years of trends hold.

The whole thing is that the trend wont hold steady. Its a n s curve and will taper off. The onky question is if the asympote is tapers to is above a certain threshold or not. Like the threshold needed to achieve what your talking about. I dont know about the capability your talking about, but anyone who thinks these things are guaranteed, or a matter of time, is in for a rude awakening over the next few years

People have been foretelling the S curve flattening for years now. At every jump of capability people confidently assert that no more progress is possible, it has reached a plateau, there is no way to go beyond this, it's a fundamental limitation of the architecture, of the training methods etc. The horse will never ride the astronaut, it won't recognize cows on beaches, new theorems will never be proved, etc. etc.

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Which business areas, programming languages / frameworks, which geo areas?

US fintech. Language / framework agnostic.

I imagine this comes with some credentialism and networking i.e. companies ask each other whether person X is good? If so, I can see how easily the current difficulties in the labor market can be overcome that way.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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All I know is that trying to get a job now is being way more brutal than before. The closest thing I got this month was a scam email from an alleged "independent global senior recruiter" "currently supporting a confidential search for a company developing AI-powered digital products". The made-with-ai smell was all over the place, the company in mention allegedly was adobe, and am pretty sure they got my email from t…

The job market is a fickle mistress. Companies are harvesting domestic salaries, possibly offshoring and slashing jobs, and blaming AI. They want you to not oppose their offshoring, or stunning executive salaries, or God forbid join a union. Who ya gonna blame? AI.

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Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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US fintech. Language / framework agnostic.

I imagine this comes with some credentialism and networking i.e. companies ask each other whether person X is good? If so, I can see how easily the current difficulties in the labor market can be overcome that way.

I don't have a CS degree, and I am talking about inbound recruiter emails, so it's not credentialism or networking. I did get my current job via networking though, but networking in this industry isn't really any more than "I used to work with this guy and he is good so give him an interview."

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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> Labor productivity was, in fact, slower in the first three years of our AI era than during the information technology boom that began in the mid 1990s.

That's a bit of a misleading statement, as it uses inaccurate terminology and cherrypicked comparisons. The linked chart is about labor productivity growth in those time frames, and current labor productivity is actually growing faster than projected since early 2023: See first chart here (rest of the article also worth skimming): https://aleximas.substack.com/p/what-is-the-impact-of-ai-on-...

Some economists suggest it's because of the impact of AI. Here's a study from the St Louis Fed (not quite a tech bro-pilled source I'd assume): https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2025/nov/state-gen...

If I may summarize my takeaway from that article: even though 50%+ of Americans currently self-report (major caveat) using AI, they use it for only 6% of work hours. This is what the recent Google study [1] called "broad but shallow use." But that still leads to 2% of work hour savings, which is a whopping 30%+ productivity boost per hour of AI used. And even with this low level of adoption, we may already be seeing the impact on labor productivity at national-level aggregate statistics!

Interestingly, this is across industries. You can play with the charts here [2]. There are all kinds of caveats involved, but there are other studies that rhyme (like [1] and those listed on the substack above.) This is kind of astounding considering it's been less than 4 years since ChatGPT was released.

My concern is that the impact on jobs is only beginning because 6% adoption is a very low number. I fear the impact will happen gradually, as adoption inches up... and then suddenly.

[1] https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/research/un... (discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49020335)

[2] https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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It sort of is though because more jobs are becoming more mechanical. In the past, I wouldn't mind being a programmer but now with all this AI the job sucks. AI may have made things more efficient but that also balances on the other side of the equation: the boss now expects more, and it's much less fun to produce more than to concentrate well on a single topic. So jobs suck more and that's harsh. Also, many jobs are…

Will you still hate AI when it discovers the cure for your cancer?

The "AI" that is being used to find cures for cancers is not the same "AI" that is being used as an excuse to fire people, especially programmers.

The latter is LLMs. Generative AI, chatbots, etc.

The former is analytical AI: machine-learning systems using computer vision techniques to recognize patterns in CT scans (and similar) that humans aren't precise enough to pick up on.

They are derived from similar principles, but no one is trying to sell DetectMelanomaChat as a replacement for you or me.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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> When manufacturing turned into electrified factories and conveyor belts, there wasn't waves of massive layoffs. And AI these days come nowhere near close to conveyor belts or electrification at scale at all. Nowhere near close, but on the high side. AI has propagated far faster, and is being adopted by a far greater proportion of businesses and individuals than electricity or conveyor belts at a similar age. AI is…

Is this not because of the internet and existing infrastructure which didn’t exist during that time?

It's because the people making it are marketing it aggressively to other CEOs as the way they can eliminate their salary budgets and pocket them as profit, and drumming up FOMO among them so each feels that if they don't hop on the bandwagon they're going to be left in the dust by all the others.
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