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The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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I suspect very few people in the tech industry understand or have experienced what office and civil service workers do. It might not be all that different than most engineering work: Organizing and arranging things, fitting things together, troubleshooting edge cases, bypassing controls to keep things working.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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It sort of is though because more jobs are becoming more mechanical. In the past, I wouldn't mind being a programmer but now with all this AI the job sucks. AI may have made things more efficient but that also balances on the other side of the equation: the boss now expects more, and it's much less fun to produce more than to concentrate well on a single topic. So jobs suck more and that's harsh. Also, many jobs are…

>So jobs suck more Be careful not to generalize from your job. The programmers I know do not have jobs that sound like yours.

Eh, me and most people I know are burning out fast.

There's a split between the people that love to program, for the sake of it, and those that just want a well paying job.

Seems like the former group is hit the hardest re: morale. The job is just not fun anymore. It's prompting and reviewing an onslaught of mass amounts of code. No more problem solving or innovation. At least, in the ways we used to.

Seems like the latter group has less issues with this.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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All I know is that trying to get a job now is being way more brutal than before. The closest thing I got this month was a scam email from an alleged "independent global senior recruiter" "currently supporting a confidential search for a company developing AI-powered digital products". The made-with-ai smell was all over the place, the company in mention allegedly was adobe, and am pretty sure they got my email from t…

The job market is a fickle mistress.

Companies are harvesting domestic salaries, possibly offshoring and slashing jobs, and blaming AI.

They want you to not oppose their offshoring, or stunning executive salaries, or God forbid join a union.

Who ya gonna blame? AI.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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At the same time, we seem to be making rapid progress year over year in capability. Competition is keeping things progressing forward at an interesting pace.

It will be interesting to see what we are actually capable of 5 years from now... 10 years... There is almost definitely some job functions that are at risk and just don't know it, or haven't felt it yet.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Then what is causing hiring to be so low, or the layoffs? Just a soft job market in general? The economy is actually tanking, not just "AI" jobs. Did hiring managers just pump the brakes "just in case this AI thing is real". So we should see some big spike in hiring now that we know AI isn't going to do everything? Or, the actual real numbers of hiring, is for real an indicator that AI is already taking jobs, or redu…

I think to some extent is that the right candidates and employers are not meeting. Working at a ~1k employee company, we have been trying to hire both junior and senior devs. Out of ~10 interviews I conducted for junior, only 2 was able to program a linked list, and even that was with hints. It was not much better for senior(more system design question instead). I understand that leetcode questions are (and have been…

A linked list is your litmus test? You did qualify with your "leetcode" blurb, but last I've used one was in college 30y ago and never again. We are not all kernel hackers / bare to the metal here.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Judging by the IT maturity of most of the companies I have worked with in the last 30 years, my guess is we're about 10-15 years from any serious changes, solely because adopting AI will require a few things. Most are running razor thin margins and wont be able to afford any of this, others have so much technical debt piled up that even if they could afford it they couldn't do anything without identifying ancient sys…

AI is different than previous technologies in that a sufficiently advanced AI can "adopt" itself. That is, it can analyze the situation of a company (asking questions when necessary), describe the benefits, and deploy itself. This sounds like science fiction, but is very plausible in 3 years of trends hold.

> AI is different than previous technologies in that a sufficiently advanced AI can "adopt" itself.

Literally does not exist

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Judging by the IT maturity of most of the companies I have worked with in the last 30 years, my guess is we're about 10-15 years from any serious changes, solely because adopting AI will require a few things. Most are running razor thin margins and wont be able to afford any of this, others have so much technical debt piled up that even if they could afford it they couldn't do anything without identifying ancient sys…

> It's just a nonissue for most people. I'm not sure how relevant the sentiment of average people are regarding the future. People are generally not well tuned in to any such things. Things just happen to most of us and we spend our lives thinking about gossip and life stuff, family, friends, chores etc., not musing about the future which we have little impact on. Think about people's views on the coronavirus in Febr…

> I'm not sure how relevant the sentiment of average people are regarding the future.

They vote. They buy the products. They are the only ones that ARE relevant.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Sample size of 1 here, but my inbox is absolutely overflowing with recruiters. Sample size of more than 1 - the SWE who were laid off recently from my company are finding new jobs quickly. Certainly the job market is more brutal than it was during the covid mass hiring spree, but it doesn't seem any worse than historical average. My view is anecdotal but I haven't seen any real data on the other side of it either.

Which business areas, programming languages / frameworks, which geo areas?

US fintech. Language / framework agnostic.

Re: The AI jobs apocalypse probably isn't coming anytime soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think to some extent is that the right candidates and employers are not meeting. Working at a ~1k employee company, we have been trying to hire both junior and senior devs. Out of ~10 interviews I conducted for junior, only 2 was able to program a linked list, and even that was with hints. It was not much better for senior(more system design question instead). I understand that leetcode questions are (and have been…

checking in with my kids that just graduated. linked lists aren't really emphasized anymore. languages have built in lists now. they had heard of them, knew what they were, but would probably struggle to do one from scratch. of course i'm old school and kind of think that is basic, but colleges now aren't teaching it much anymore.

If someone can't implement the very simplest Graph Structure, Linked Lists, then I assume they can't implement any linked data structure. Learning variations of Linked Lists is where you start, e.g. https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/
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