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Android may soon restrict on-device ADB

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Re: Android may soon restrict on-device ADB

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I am generally in favor of security improvements, but I do not really see much of a benefit here. This attack vector requires both that the user enabled developer settings and that they have remote adb enabled. So, this does not seem to be a realistic attack vector for 99.9% of the users and most of the other 0.1% probably know what they are doing. The other proposed change (to restrict access to certain interfaces o…

> why not allow developers to restrict access localhost?

Ads and tracking, obviously (https://localmess.github.io/)

All these changes Google is doing to Android aren't for you as the user, they are to protect their business interests from the user.

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Good point. They don't. Huh, that's really worrying. My bank started requiring phone for web portal only about a few years ago. They don't allow to use an alternative MFA method. This should be made illegal.

It should be. How screwed are you if you lose your phone?

Don't fret, the govt has this covered: RFID chip up the ass to the rescue!

Re: Android may soon restrict on-device ADB

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The article overlooks security implications from spyware, which is a huge problem not only for financial applications, but personal safety, too [0]. Per FTC, a stalkerware will: geo locate, read call list & record calls, read notifications, texts, & possibly emails, access gallery, camera, & files, and monitor network activity. [1] You could do all of those with "on-device adb" (in some cases, with just the appropria…

> Per FTC, a stalkerware will: geo locate, read call list & record calls, read notifications, texts, & possibly emails, access gallery, camera, & files, and monitor network activity.

Like Google Mobile Services on stock Android?

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A long time ago, I fixed Windows machines for pocket change. I can confirm some users will make bad decisions no matter what warnings they're given. I think the impulse for an OS vendor to try to make such mistakes impossible is about as wrong as selling knives dull so people can't hurt themselves. A knife that can't cut its user is useless as a knife.

Eh, this is a tough conversation for engineering-minded folks because the right answer is probably somewhere in the middle of a few different variables. Too far towards trying to make mistakes impossible (which is easy for corporations to talk themselves into because it also makes them money and moat) and you make devices useless. Too far towards full user control and you get difficulties in support and security issu…

It requires a nuanced discussion and willingness to compromise to find the right balance. I don't like it myself when, every macOS release, Apple nerfs the system even more and locks down even more, but I also don't like telling my relatives that their system is part of a botnet and that they need to change all their password and call their bank, simply because they saw a popup that told them to download and run TrojanHappyFunGame.

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Google pushes a new feature to Android where phones wake up at 2:22 AM every night to play a blood-curdling scream at maximum volume, regardless of settings. An issue is created and gets assigned, into which Google employees regularly butt in to explain the feature exists to keep users safe from night break-ins. Nothing changes. People have to start modifying their lives around this problem—most have to shut off thei…

>What else should they have done? Use an AOSP fork like grapheneos or lineageos. Barring that, voting with their wallets and buying a HarmonyOS phone. If for whatever reason they're doing that too, there's probably more powerful forces behind this change (eg. government mandates) that won't be helped by spamming an issue tracker.

I have bad news for you if you think GrapheneOS isn't going to accept this patch from upstream if it lands.

Re: Android may soon restrict on-device ADB

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I just installed CachyOS on one of my laptops. I like Open Suse a bit more, but my vpn and a few other applications work better on Arch. Android is turning into the iOS/OSX/Win11 model. It’s not your device, you’re just renting it. You need permission to install applications, or do anything else outside of consuming subscription services. Where are the Linux phones ?

Linux phones exist but work on a limited number of devices (see PostMarketOS) or Linux primary devices like Purism or Pinephone (which I've heard are expensive). That's the primary issue, you either need to buy an expensive and potentially underpowered phone OR have one that is supported most of the way with PostMarketOS (Wifi, SIM card, GPU, etc. sometimes may not work even though the phone can boot PostMarketOS). I…

There are plenty of apps for Linux phones because you get all of the Linux software automatically. What there isn’t plenty of is commercial pop culture apps from social media companies, banks, and other businesses but for some of those you can run an android emulator or use their website.

Re: Android may soon restrict on-device ADB

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Follow up question: how many of those still let you log in and authorize transfers without relying on their mobile app as required second factor?

This is all inevitable direction over long period of time What’s worrying is that noone protests about it It doesn’t suprise me that corporations and governments want the laziest, most „protective” laws passed that extend their power. But why noone, absolutely noone puts some kind of resistance to it? Government and citizens are at eternal conflict of interests. It has been this way and it will be this way forever. Y…

The frogs are almost done, and the silicone figurines that used to impost actual frogs and croak how pleasant the water is and how it should always keep getting warmer to keep everyone comfortable, will soon be removed from the pot, their duties fullfilled.

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Eh, that is if they pay. Trump already made threats for tariffs in regards to those fines.

Which is a federal sales tax against the citizens of the United States countries abroad do not pay no matter how many times taco lies.

You're splitting hairs in this case, while that's unquestionably true, it's irrelevant if there tariffs are only set on one party.

That's why Trump's tariffs on everything was so ... Uh ... "Interesting". If only one party gets the tariffs, you end up with other parties selling the goods instead, which does cause meaningful damage to the tariffed party

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