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The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Authors aren't obligated to let strangers publish content on their site, any more than you're obligated to let me exercise my free speech by spraypainting messages on your house. You're not being gatekept from the conversation. You can participate in the conversation by publishing on your own site, just like the author has.

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I am pretty sure you cannot send 1000 high value AI generated emails.

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Why are comments turned off on the blog posts itself? I was planning to make 200 thoughtful comments with the cheapest AI I could find to prove a point, but the lack of an option to comment shows you already know the point: something has to gate participation in the conversation. Human authorship is a fantastic gate, which keeps me from pulling my stunt here, where that gate is firmly in place. You could achieve almo…

I guarantee you that people are using AI to write posts here.

I do think that there is a gate against poorly written comments.

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authors aren't obligated to let strangers publish content on their site, any more than you're obligated to let me exercise my free speech by spraypainting messages on your house. You're not being gatekept from the conversation. You can participate in the conversation by publishing on your own site, just like the author has.

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The author is a person and they get to decide what they want out of life. Even if you disagree. If you get to decide how they live their life, can I decide how you live yours?

Why wouldn't you want spraypainted messages which bring real value to your house?

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Why are comments turned off on the blog posts itself? I was planning to make 200 thoughtful comments with the cheapest AI I could find to prove a point, but the lack of an option to comment shows you already know the point: something has to gate participation in the conversation. Human authorship is a fantastic gate, which keeps me from pulling my stunt here, where that gate is firmly in place. You could achieve almo…

Idea for a captcha

Are there infinitely many primes p such that p − 1 is a perfect square? In other words: Are there infinitely many primes of the form n2 + 1?

Answer: [ ]

( ) I don't know

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Presumably the author believes checking food for contamination, and vehicle safety standards are also daft. Insofar as LLMs are a tool, they are not a tool that reliably produces desired output. There was just a thread on this. [1] Even setting aside any moral questions of using them, LLMs create plausible sounding BS. We're not just talking about fire, we're talking about methanol fire.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49042354

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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The author is a person and they get to decide what they want out of life. Even if you disagree. If you get to decide how they live their life, can I decide how you live yours? Why wouldn't you want spraypainted messages which bring real value to your house?

I mean, if you wrote an article like "the whole premise of disallowing people to spray-paint your house is daft"...

The real point isn't that they're "obligated" to allow AI-generated comments, but that they're being something of a hypocrite.

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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post #3

I think it depends on the context too. Dale Carnegie (in his famous Win Friends.. book) mentioned how it's annoying to receive letters that say Dictated But Not Read. So people don't want to read (for example) a twitter reply or email that's written on their behalf rather than their own thoughts When it comes to something like a LinkedIn post however who cares. Everyone uses AI cause the content itself is mercenary a…

> The text is like: "The neon is pink. Her hair is blue. Her face is light. She smiles because she was made to smile, and somewhere beneath the awareness of that fact is the older, simpler, more animal truth: a face is smiling at you. Someone said your name. Someone said “you look lonely” and meant it as an invitation rather than a wound."

That sounds cool. It's also a style of SciFi writing--clipped sentences that juxtapose images and let you put together meaning. I wonder how long this sequence can go before the LLM messes up because it has limited understanding (if you will) of the underlying meaning of the images.

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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Why are comments turned off on the blog posts itself? I was planning to make 200 thoughtful comments with the cheapest AI I could find to prove a point, but the lack of an option to comment shows you already know the point: something has to gate participation in the conversation. Human authorship is a fantastic gate, which keeps me from pulling my stunt here, where that gate is firmly in place. You could achieve almo…

Yeah, in a small way I agree with the post, but agree with you as well. For me: human authorship is a pretty solid gate, because the vast majority of people are not doing the work described in the post’s hypothetical “argue through 6 drafts and iterations, wholesale rearrangement, critically considering the content, adjusting further”.

I don’t exactly care about whether or not the actual bits on my screen came directly from a human’s fingers on a keyboard or from an LLM, but I do care about whether or not the material is good, well-written, appropriately concise (which varies both on the content and the audience), fact-checked, and I’m sure a bunch more factors. Some humans fail at these criteria as well.

Human authorship is an imperfect proxy for quality, but saying it’s imperfect doesn’t mean that it’s worthless… quite the opposite, I’d argue. Even if there are flaws in the writing, it at least shows that the author tried, which I do personally put value on. Copy & pasting Claude output without even fact-checking… that’s inherently low effort and if that’s what I wanted to read, I’d just ask Claude myself.

I use LLMs in my workflow to varying degrees depending on the task, but their output never makes it into the wild without serious scrutiny. Sometimes their code is better than what I’d have written, which is great. Sometimes it completely misses the point and needs significant re-steering several times, to the point where it’s easier if I write it myself. For writing, I’ll happily have an LLM harness put together a document explaining a dataflow through a complex system; I ask it to include source filenames and line numbers and can do my own validation before accepting it as truth.

Re: The whole premise of checking for human writing is daft

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post #9

I think we're just in an transition point. When I get materials that are clearly AI generated, I look at them as if there was less effort put into it. But that is irrational. If it was verified for accuracy, and edited for conciseness, and addresses the task at hand, does it matter?

It most probably wasn’t though, because that would mean doing only the tedious part of writing.

Another thing though. How many times does it happen to you to start writing after having an idea, but scrapping it because you realize it’s wrong/bad/unhelpful. To me, quite often. But if you prompt an LLM, there is no time to have that realization.

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