Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall • Hacker News Board

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by analog31 » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:41 PM UTC

cyanydeez wrote: post #156

Arodex wrote: post #26

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Can we start a serious discussion about whether you might start taking responsibility of who you elect instead of wasting your time fantasizing? I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time?

the republicans spent the last 50 years gerrymandering and disenfranchising. the "who you elect" is a specious argument. Everyone in California could elect democrarts forever, and 2 senators in Wyoming still have a larger sway per capita.

They should stop calling themselves republicans, since they don't represent a republic.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by ChoGGi » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:46 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #93

Arodex wrote: post #39

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Filter for dates around his presidential run: "he's not really anti Vax", "he's the only candidate talking about health"... With Dorsey and other SV actors boosting him. https://archive.is/kce6f

"Darling candidate" is overselling it but there's a solid chunk of anti-vax, covid-truthing, lab-leak is-proven-fact, JFK just wants better food nutballs on HN. They overlap with the climate deniers, the nukecels, libertarians and Trump fans. And it clearly goes to the top, since his vice-president and primary funded was a Google CEO ex-wife, and he had high level support even before he went back on his stated opinio…

Is there a place that I can find this zinger of a quote? I assume the actual wording is slightly different.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by ChoGGi » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:48 PM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #57

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #31

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You might benefit from looking up the Goomba Fallacy. As a former anti-anti-RFK guy, I absolutely have to take responsibility, I severely misunderstood the wellness movement and didn't realize that inflicting disease on people was their goal. But I don't know why you think the person you're responding to supported RFK.

He's definitely got the broken clock syndrome. And back in the day he was a strong defender of the environment. I've got a family member and ex friend (both trained in science) and they drank the koolaid hard. A funny story about them -- both had stayed at my home (different times) and I had taken to heating the water for my coffee in the microwave. Both of them were horrified by that and refused to use that water. N…

Ahem, let me try; the atoms are too excited they will bounce through my stomach lining straight into cancer.

They also tend to contaminate the raw milk bacteria you aren't using.

Close enough?

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by ChoGGi » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:52 PM UTC

mcbuilder wrote: post #155

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #128

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> risk without benefit Indeed. There is no reason to consume raw milk. Pasteurization is not actually the problem. On the other hand, there is no reason to homogenize milk at all. It is safe and legal to procure "cream top" or non-homogenized milk at many grocery outlets. Cream-top milk is not processed, and in fact there have been detrimental effects linked to the consumption of homogenized milk, which you can avoid…

Non homogenized, lightly flash pasteurized milk has been my favorite for years. Just tastier, luckily I grew up in a little strange town where it was norm, and I don't have the weird modern health movement baggage to go with it.

Would someone who had never had it consider it tastier, or is it memories of growing up that make it tastier to you?

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by dredmorbius » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:54 PM UTC

pudgywalsh wrote: post #8

mlyle wrote: post #5

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It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive. You don't always get a positive test, but this doesn't necessarily prevent you from concluding the cause of food contamination.

> but the only positive test may have been a false positive Software getting flagged by anti-malware as a false positive is a great way to get an evil corpo tale of woe to the top of HN with 800 points.

Multiple chains of evidence may be used to support a conclusion. One conclusive chain is sufficient, even if others are equivocal.

You're focusing on the weakest part of the argument, which HN guidelines explicitly request you not do: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html>.

(Less so if others are exculpatory. Which is not the case here. A known false positive is not conclusive proof, but neither does it explicitly clear a source.)

See for more explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49044401>.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by dredmorbius » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:56 PM UTC

ethin wrote: post #169

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #37

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This is the most upsetting thing about everything that is happening. Like, sure I have plenty of criticisms about the FDA, but by and large, I thought the body was slowly working in the direction of the public good. Once you destroy that trust, every single announcement becomes suspect. You no longer have anything you can believe.

And if you don't think the Republican's will use this distrust to their advantage, well, I have a bridge to sell you. It's a very common tactic by them: create a problem that never existed, then wine about said problem.

They'll wine, and dine.

But also whine.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:56 PM UTC

testfrequency wrote: post #66

_zoltan_ wrote: post #64

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I don't know who are these foreigners you speak of. I'm looking forward to eating some of the best steaks in the US. The beef in Switzerland is mediocre at best.

My hot take on the American steak allure is more about the “cowboy” big portion fantasy that’s fairly engrained into pop culture globally. Otherwise, I wouldn’t say American cattle are superior in really any other way, and are not the best cuts globally either. Switzerland I cannot speak to, but having had meats from Australia, Britain, Ireland, Spain, Italy, and Japan - a lot of places around the world have great an…

Japanese and Australian beef are on a different level than anything else I have ever eaten in terms of beef steaks.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by dredmorbius » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:58 PM UTC

ourmandave wrote: post #154

jm4 wrote: post #21

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A guy gets a worm in his brain, somehow becomes secretary of health, loosens all the rules so the rest of us have a higher chance of getting a brain worm. This is comic book villain kind of stuff. Can we start a serious discussion about whether we might be living in a simulation with a troll teenager at the controls?

Two things that got RFK nominated. He's the opposite of Fauci, who Trump hates for contradicting him. And MAGA hates because during the pandemic they saw mask mandates as government overreach. And he's the poster boy for conspiracy-loving anti-science halfwits like Trump and MAGA. And he got approved because GOP senators get primaried and death threats if they go against Dear Leader.

That's a large value of two.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by hogwasher » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 3:03 PM UTC

sethammons wrote: post #115

CalRobert wrote: post #41

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Reminiscent of the toxoplasmosis life cycle.

Instead of making mice seek out cats, this one encourages poor public health policies in people.

toxoplasmosis doesn't actually do that to mice. It makes them less scared, but iirc, not even so much that they don't flee.

it's one of those studies that got blown up into a worldwide news story sensation even though the actual paper didn't say what headlines claimed it did. I don't know if it was ever proven replicable or not, either.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Post by blooalien » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 3:09 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #46

lettergram wrote: post #2

It was a false positive for what it was worth - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-f...

> FDA says... This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?

> This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it?

At this point they've lied enough that the assumption should just always be "They're probably lying again. I need more evidence / facts / details if this is a thing I care about at all." Honestly though, I'm at a point where I simply won't trust much anything anymore without seeing / hearing more (provably true) facts first. Lying / deceit has just become far too common / accepted / normalized these days.