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Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by Marha01 »

gonzalohm wrote: post #831
lucas_the_human wrote: post #820

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This is just so negative. How will it destroy your life? There are so many great and useful things it can and will do to improve humanity.

It's pretty naive to think that tools like this are not going to be exploited by American corporations to extract money from people and as an excuse for layoffs

Both things can be true at the same time:

1. tools like this are going to be exploited by corporations to extract money from people.

2. tools like this will provide great benefits for the average person.

We are currently exploited by corporations, arguably more than in the past, and yet we have the highest standard of living in history. In large part due to technological progress.

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by haizhung »

voidmain wrote: post #834
muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

I already live off my wealth, and I expect AI development to destroy my life. Once humans can be robustly replaced by machines, the military-industrial "meta build" will be a state with no humans, no cities, and 100% of all production dedicated to war. Whichever states descend to this new equilibrium fastest will crush the others and then fight over the corpse of the world forever. (Unless, of course, something like…

> I can't understand why anyone expects things like civil rights, property, the rule of law, nuclear deterrence, democracy, etc to survive when human beings no longer need each other.

What’s your source on this? When humans have no obligations they usually turn around to be super nice to each other. Humans are social animals and they really really want everyone they know to do well.

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by idiotsecant »

bbor wrote: post #836
tossandthrow wrote: post #799

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Even for people living of wealth, it is not clear what the outcomes are. If renters of your apartments can not afford to rent them, housing crashes because your city was a looser (Detroit style withdrawals). Even for stocks we don't know who the winners are. The market as a whole usually does not respond that well on serious turmoil. So yeah. We are likely seeing some very rough years.

Sadly, we have gone above and beyond the level of innovation where stock market disruption is a primary concern. Luckily, we're all in this together. As long as enough people realize the weight of what's happening soon enough, I'm confident the indominable human spirit and the relative momentum of post-enlightenment social & institutional progress will carry us the rest of the way on a wave of clearly-justified solid…

When the very first prokaryotic life forms saw the very first cells with mitochondria were they cognitively distressed? We face a similar phase change. In our lifetimes, probably.

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by setsewerd »

novlrdotcom wrote: post #668
abixb wrote: post #180

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So the rumors were right, Opus 5 was indeed being polished up for release. Huge improvements in GDPval-AA v2 too -- great for some of the knowledge work-based agentic workloads I run. Also glad they still kepy Fable 5 on "credits only" access. I think we're going to start seeing model providers gate top-of-the-line models behind pay-as-you-go API rates/credits while subsidizing other models on monthly subscriptions.

Does anyone know if Claude Code is on Opus 5 yet? That'd be amazing

I was using it on Cowork yesterday, so I would imagine so. It arrived before I updated but the message says it will work better after updating the app.

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by speleding »

muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

There is no need to be so fatalistic. Sure, AI will upset the apple cart, especially in our little corner, but the economy is built on pricing scarce resources and even if many things become abundant, most other things will remain scarce. There are only so many Manhattan penthouses or Rembrandts (dixit the Economist), so things of value remain, and it will be quite some time before a humanoid can fix the plumbing, so valuable labour will remain as well.

I, for one, am excited to see what the future holds. (side note: I live in a European country with a strong social safety net, I imagine that helps being unafraid)

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by nvitas »

muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

it got here by training on everything we wrote down thus far. if we now start giving it all the doomsday scenarios on how it will ruin us, won't it start training on that and create said doomsday outcomes? what if instead we, collectively as a humanity, just wrote about all the positive things we could do with it and skew it in a direction that benefits the more positive side of that equation?...possible?

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

> Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life?

Because it could motivate you to work with others to stop your livelihood from being ruined, especially watching in real time as the evidence they present for their promise becomes ever more promising. Amazement is not exclusive with concern. (Actually, my first though was of a kaiju movie-style tsunami blocking out the sun as it looms over a city. Indeed, I would likely be both amazed and concerned.)

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by matkoniecz »

lucas_the_human wrote: post #820
muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

This is just so negative. How will it destroy your life? There are so many great and useful things it can and will do to improve humanity.

> How will it destroy your life?

for me?

if it will stay on track for few more months or years, it will be able to do my work and I will have serious trouble to be employed

"destroy your life" may be overstating things but it is definitely not a welcome change

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by voidmain »

Marha01 wrote: post #848
voidmain wrote: post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already live off my wealth, and I expect AI development to destroy my life. Once humans can be robustly replaced by machines, the military-industrial "meta build" will be a state with no humans, no cities, and 100% of all production dedicated to war. Whichever states descend to this new equilibrium fastest will crush the others and then fight over the corpse of the world forever. (Unless, of course, something like…

> Once humans can be robustly replaced by machines, the military-industrial "meta build" will be a state with no humans, no cities, and 100% of all production dedicated to war. We will nuke it long before it gets to that point. We don't nuke other countries because they still contain lots of humans. Any AI that actually becomes autonomous and starts to clear a nation state of cities and humans will immediately receiv…

Nukes are not magic wands, they are mostly only worth it for targeting cities and other very dense concentrations of value and production. An enemy state going down this path will probably start out with cities full of humans (and will probably want to "mine" those cities for materials), but its growing robot production will be more broadly distributed (and EMP shielded) and therefore much harder to destroy. And they will of course have their own nukes. I agree it's possible that a global nuclear war, if it starts early enough, ends with no one still having the ability to operate AI. But that's not exactly the most attractive way to shut it all down, is it?

Re: Claude Opus 5

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Post by lozzo »

muldvarp wrote: post #796

Why should I be amazed at something that promises to destroy my life? I genuinely don't understand why people who have to work for their living are amazed at this. It will have a vast negative impact on your life unless you already live off of your wealth.

Same feeling entirely.
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