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Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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What I Learned from reading "What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap.": Unironic "brogramming" is still alive and well. What a slap in the face of the community that made bootstrap successful.

I didn't get that out of this. @fat is a funny guy and likes to say funny things, but his message here applies to developers of all colors.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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I met a Twitter engineer at startup school who said any side projects had to be approved by Twitter's legal team. Was this the case with Bootstrap? Also, was it put on Twitter's GitHub account in order to increase visibility?

yep, lots of legal hurdles to go through – took us like 6 months – but now they have a full time opensource shepherd @cra which makes this much smoother

<3, thanks for the kudos

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Is twitter trying to claim ownership over bootstrap? I assume you 2 guys left twitter to do this as-a-living. The post reads like a "Twitter does not own this, we made it on our own time, Its just the two of us, etc. etc." Do you even need to worry about this? Pretty sure since its open source you guys are fine, unless something in your twitter employment contract says otherwise. That being said, Bootstrap is a valua…

The short answer is no, Twitter is not trying to overtake bootstrap. Although we have some ownership of the code base, the community has definitely let its mark on Bootstrap with Mark and Jacob's great leadership.

In fact, we have been working closely with Mark and Jacob on the bootstrap transition. There are plans to migrate bootstrap into its own organization soon and kick off an effort to migrate it to the MIT license, all supported by Twitter.

Stay tuned for details!

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

right now it's under the Apache License v2 – but we're working to move it to MIT for 3.0.0 I think of the community as owning bootstrap at this point… maybe that's cheesy? Or naive… I also think twitter played a larger roll than just hardware. Mark and I were both deeply embedded into the twitter culture (with access to great resources and really smart engineers to bounce ideas off of) and i think bootstrap has a ver…

> right now it's under the Apache License v2 – but we're > working to move it to MIT for 3.0.0 What's the impetus for this? Losing patent protection and gaining strict GPL2 compatibility seems like a strange decision.

See this issue for more information:

https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/2054

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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What I Learned from reading "What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap.": Unironic "brogramming" is still alive and well. What a slap in the face of the community that made bootstrap successful.

If having fun making things with friends is "unironic brogramming," I'm proud to be an unironic brogrammer.

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If you have no contributor agreements/licenses, how do you plan on moving it to MIT? From what I see, the best you have is: "By contributing your code, you agree to license your contribution under the terms of the APLv2: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/blob/master/LICENSE (which isn't really that helpful) Speaking as an corporate IP/open source lawyer, doing this wrong can hurt you very badly in the long run.

At a guess, the "working to move it" sentence probably implies that they are trying to get those agreements retrospectively, or re-writing any code that was contributed where they can't. As I understand it, the majority of code was written by themselves, so it shouldn't be too much of a task. Openstreetmap similarly moved licenses recently, they gained agreements where they could and dumped or re-mapped data where th…

The latter is what we are going with.

Follow this issue if you're interested in it: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/2054

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Dear fat, This post comes off to me as cocky and untrue. First, the general tone of this seems very pompous to me. To me, it reads: "I know so much that even building the most popular project on github and possibly of any library on the web can't teach me anything new." It might have been a little more gracious perhaps to thank people for using and contributing to the project...? Also, you definitely learned somethin…

hm… sorry it came off that way. :( fwiw, the amount of technical things i've learned from working on bootstrap is not proportional to the amount of work i've put into this project… at all. But, i never expected it to be, and that's totally fine. Have I learned any technical things? lol sure, of course! Funnily, the accessibility thing you linked to wasn't really something I learned building bootstrap… the presentatio…

Hi,

I just wanted to say thanks. I have been integrating bootstrap into my site for the passed few months and I am happy to know it will look better then otherwise ever would have. I still have some trouble figuring out why the hell some parts don't work (can you recommend a debugging tool?) but all in all I am pretty chuffed and can appreciate why it is popular.

Take it easy = )

PS - wtf was with the radioactive download bootstrap button on the download page of the last release? I don't think you were involved with it, but I was surprised to see it . EDIT> It has been removed and now is a normal download button again.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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post #29

What I Learned from reading "What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap.": Unironic "brogramming" is still alive and well. What a slap in the face of the community that made bootstrap successful.

If having fun making things with friends is "unironic brogramming," I'm proud to be an unironic brogrammer.

No, but extreme arrogance and braggadocio is. The only thing missing from that article was a keg stand in the top photo, to show just how little they need to try to be awesome.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hm… sorry it came off that way. :( fwiw, the amount of technical things i've learned from working on bootstrap is not proportional to the amount of work i've put into this project… at all. But, i never expected it to be, and that's totally fine. Have I learned any technical things? lol sure, of course! Funnily, the accessibility thing you linked to wasn't really something I learned building bootstrap… the presentatio…

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks. I have been integrating bootstrap into my site for the passed few months and I am happy to know it will look better then otherwise ever would have. I still have some trouble figuring out why the hell some parts don't work (can you recommend a debugging tool?) but all in all I am pretty chuffed and can appreciate why it is popular. Take it easy = ) PS - wtf was with the radioactive dow…

haha! mark loves these, i think he started doing them way back at zurb.

we took them away because they are hooorible for perf – and were exposing a memory leak bug in chrome i believe

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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What I want to know is... Why LESS and not SASS? Seems to me, TBS is the only thing keeping LESS alive. SASS/Compass seems to be the better choice? http://css-tricks.com/sass-vs-less/ (Logic and Loops are big ticket items).

From whispers I've heard within the TB community, is that it may at some point jump from LESS to SASS. But right now its not a priority. Someone tell me if im wrong here.

ha, well that is definitely not happening anytime soon…

but, here is a whole thing on "why less" I wrote up about it a long while back, and it still holds true today: http://wordsbyf.at/2012/03/08/why-less/

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