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Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, you can get a 16x RTX 6000 Pro setup running for significantly less than that. Even considering the electrical hookup fees (it’s a lot of power and cooling). Home ownership might push you into the original quote though.

Kimi K3 is in no way going to fit in 96GB RAM * 16 units (1536GB) unless badly quantized and with a small amount of context.

Why not? The model is 2.8T parameters with native MXFP4, which is 1400GB.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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> this is the first llm that is capable and willing to write an exploit An open-source Kimi is going to have real economic impact (and not only because of its forcing function on frontier labs to indefinitely subsidize their models to meet a race-to-the-bottom market price). Because it's also putting sophisticated zero-day-seeking tools in the hands of script kiddies who can develop and run novel exploits against arb…

If the AI tools can easily find exploits, cannot those same tools be used to harden security? In fact the companies have an advantage over script kiddies: access to more expensive models and compute time as well as professional security engineers

Companies are full of idiot managers who still prioritise new features over security. Security doesn't get your promoted, new features do. New features can be shoved in customers' faces and sold. Security is invisible. The idiocy in companies runs all the way from the top to middle managers. This feels a lot like Titanic.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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post #17

So combine easy public access to uber hacker LLMs with the European CRA coming into full force next year in December. cha ching! 15,000,000 euros fines for all tech companies in Europe :-)

No, CRA doesn't cover SaaS services or open-source software, unless it is part of product (e.g. router). So it wouldn't apply here.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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This is a deeply uninteresting example for anyone clueful. It’s an authenticated RCE in redis, anyone even vaguely familiar with the codebase knows to not expect there to be any real security boundary in place here. Don’t confuse this with an unauthenticated RCE, that would actually matter. Absolutely anyone can shit out endless bugs like this with AFL, this is an extremely messy unhardened surface that expects trust…

Yup. Getting pretty tired from seeing these "0days" that are not exploitable in any real use case. Just vibes, no substance.

Tired seeing them is one thing the real problem is tired updating your software stack with a frequency the team & tooling was never designed to sustain. Worse: You are not tired enough to forget the real security issues that would need some calm period to fix.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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As wild as this sounds, redis should not exposed to the internet and this appears to be an authenticated RCE. This is similar to claiming that a PSQL query grants code execution when its actually a feature. These systems are typically not tested as aggressively against vulnerabilities of that nature since 10 times out of 10 you have to have access to these systems already. Issues like these are only really an issue i…

>There is a way more interesting telegram RCE that kimi k3 allegedly discovered.

Telegram server or client? The client is open source, so I expect any reasonably capable model to find things there sooner or later. But the sever is closed source. Finding an RCE there would be wild for such a model, since it would have to solve a whole bunch of adjacent problems instead of just digesting tons of code.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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> this is the first llm that is capable and willing to write an exploit An open-source Kimi is going to have real economic impact (and not only because of its forcing function on frontier labs to indefinitely subsidize their models to meet a race-to-the-bottom market price). Because it's also putting sophisticated zero-day-seeking tools in the hands of script kiddies who can develop and run novel exploits against arb…

This is a concern but given its size, it's also going to cost a potential user $500-600k in hardware to self host and run Kimi K3 at any useful speed with full context size. It's not something that just anyone interested in attacking a system can use. The size/cost of hardware is far beyond even something like a self-hosted GLM5.2 Q8 at approx. 850GB GGUF file on disk size, which can run at a slow tok/s rate on a ser…

Why would they need to selfhost? They can run it via API ala openrouter or runware or whatever.

Or on runpod with rented gpus or inference.

Re: Kimi K3 exploited the latest Redis server

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post #6

> this is the first llm that is capable and willing to write an exploit An open-source Kimi is going to have real economic impact (and not only because of its forcing function on frontier labs to indefinitely subsidize their models to meet a race-to-the-bottom market price). Because it's also putting sophisticated zero-day-seeking tools in the hands of script kiddies who can develop and run novel exploits against arb…

Open weight, not open source. There is no way to reproduce the model.
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