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Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by Epa095 »

giardini wrote: post #366
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #358

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> What target could the Iranians hit you believe would provoke a nuclear response? Anything existential. (Tehran doesn’t currently have that capability.)

I don't know what you classify as existential. But unfortunately it is drop-dead easy to make a fission bomb and even easier to make (multiple) dirty bombs. Iran has the pieces to do these things many times over. Hell, by now they could have deployed dirty bombs abroad in multiple locations and we'd never know. The only reason the USA doesn't flatten Iran with nukes is that the USA fears Russia will view it as an "al…

No, Ukraine is not the (sole) reason. USA has been in multiple wars since 1945, and never used the bomb again. They know the value of the nuclear tabu, and are not interested in breaking it, independently of the situation in Ukraine. They also have enough conventional weapons to level Iran with those, so they dont need to use nukes.

In addition I would hope that even in the morally bankrupt state USA is in today, murdering 92 million people would cause some political problems (but this might be naive of me).

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Post by truetraveller »

laughing_man wrote: post #307
RazorBucksICO wrote: post #149

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Iran has launched thousands of missiles at Israel over the last few months. The idea they're worried about Israeli nuclear weapons is fanciful.

That's likely theater. if real rockets / drones were fired, there would be 100x more people dead. There is almost certainly some "understanding" with all parties involved.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

adrr wrote: post #262
frollogaston wrote: post #138

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I don't care about Iran's leadership and think this shouldn't be the US's war to fight. Also, we aren't even trying to replace their government, we're just attacking per Israel's wishes. There must be a lot of Americans who agree.

Israel's leader is wanted by the international court for genocide. And lets not forget how Iran's current government took power? US installed a dictator in Iran because UK was angry that Iran nationalized the UK owned oil fields. This led to a coup, which resulted in the current Iranian government. There's no good guys. Why is the US even there? Edit: downvoted to -3. Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people…

>Edit: downvoted to -3. Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the trutH

Isn't it an oversimplification to say there are no good guys? O

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by rolph »

dyauspitr wrote: post #360
trhway wrote: post #327

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AMZN could have for example bought a "Gepard" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_Gepard ) - easily shoots down cruise missiles and drones. Just a couple millions would have saved billions.

So you’re saying American corporations should start having their own military divisions. (I realize it’s a stretch from what you’re suggesting but if you think about it, not really)

it may surprise you just how well equipped corporate security divisions can be.

government contractors may be embedded in high stakes situations.

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by Braxton1980 »

frollogaston wrote: post #163
joshmarinacci wrote: post #146

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The alternative is what the last five American presidents have done: containment. There's a reason Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush didn't start the war that Trump did. This is why.

Even Biden and Bush got too involved in the region. There's really not much for us to gain there, because it's not for us. Biden is still #1 on this list https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind...

Why does the amount of money mattter and not the actions taken?

Trump has done more pro israel actions than Biden

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by Braxton1980 »

strictnein wrote: post #257
petilon wrote: post #155

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Ground troops have to invade Iran. Trump can't do that now because of upcoming midterm elections. After the elections, if there is no other way then Trump has to send ground troops in.

People have been saying we're going to invade Iran for almost 25 years now. It's always just about to happen, yet never does.

Who has been saying that?

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by Braxton1980 »

gpt5 wrote: post #309
mardifoufs wrote: post #299

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You forgot to mention a small detail, the US did that only after they started a war. The US is known for its perfidy at this point, so any deals they propose aren't exactly trustworthy, and the US couldn't even contain israel after the latest MoU which made it void.

Not true. The US has been negotiating with Iran for over a year about a nuclear deal before the war started. This has all been public.

Didn't the US previously make a deal then Trump broke it?

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Post by mupuff1234 »

defrost wrote: post #365
mupuff1234 wrote: post #362

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Maybe because signing a new deal is better for your country and your people? Like what's the worst case scenario that happens to iran if they just signed a new deal? How would it have been any worse than the current situation? The deal doesn't even require a high level of trust - worst case they just go back to the previous situation. Making a deal only has an upside, even without trust. Just like employment at will…

So why is the US bringing all the drama here then? Is it really just for a return to the pre-Trump status quo, only this time with the same deal not cosigned by Obama?

Yes, it's as simple as that, Trump just wants his name on the deal.

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Post by mike_d »

adrr wrote: post #324
mike_d wrote: post #317

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> US installed a dictator in Iran because UK was angry that Iran nationalized the UK owned oil fields. > Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the truth? It is widely assumed, but not factually correct, that the US was responsible. On August 15th 1953 the CIA staged a coup to overthrow the government, but it failed. By the next day the State Department was actively trying to enter into diplomatic…

> On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d'état that strengthened the rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran. It was instigated by the United Kingdom (MI6), under the name Operation Boot[5][6][7][8] and the United States (CIA), under the name TP-AJAX Project[9] or Operation Ajax. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mosaddegh nationali…

That was the understanding until the CIA released a bunch of documents in 2017 which revealed that it was such an abysmal failure that they almost called off the entire thing.

The attempted coup brought out a lot of pro Mossadeq protestors. It wasn't until the 19th when clerics organized anti Mossadeq protestors that it took hold.

Might be worth flagging to Wikipedia editors for a review.

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by esseph »

Epa095 wrote: post #371
giardini wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you classify as existential. But unfortunately it is drop-dead easy to make a fission bomb and even easier to make (multiple) dirty bombs. Iran has the pieces to do these things many times over. Hell, by now they could have deployed dirty bombs abroad in multiple locations and we'd never know. The only reason the USA doesn't flatten Iran with nukes is that the USA fears Russia will view it as an "al…

No, Ukraine is not the (sole) reason. USA has been in multiple wars since 1945, and never used the bomb again. They know the value of the nuclear tabu, and are not interested in breaking it, independently of the situation in Ukraine. They also have enough conventional weapons to level Iran with those, so they dont need to use nukes. In addition I would hope that even in the morally bankrupt state USA is in today, mur…

> In addition I would hope that even in the morally bankrupt state USA is in today, murdering 92 million people would cause some political problems (but this might be naive of me).

It might move the needle 15%.

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