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If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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CivBase wrote: post #459
jason_oster wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coding is anything but cheap. You speak like someone who has completely forgotten how difficult it was to learn everything you now know by heart.

Coding litterally is cheap. We outsource it for wages that you'd expect of a bottom-level fast food employee. We've been doing that for many years. It doesn't take a 4 year education to learn how to use loops, functions, and basic data structures. Most of you could probably code by the end of your fresan year of college. Many probably learned at least some coding before college. I've learned plenty since those days.…

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Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by charcircuit »

Gigachad wrote: post #434
inigyou wrote: post #427

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The post-Microsoft meta is that glitches are valid game mechanics. TNT duping has been in the game longer than Notch controlled the game. But some other glitches get fixed.

This goes for most games where glitches end up becoming protected features. Being fun is more important than being correct.

How do you measure fun? People will always rush to that excuse if it's not properly defined. And not everyone finds the same things fun. Especially if you are looking to try and 10x your audience.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by Gigachad »

charcircuit wrote: post #473
Gigachad wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goes for most games where glitches end up becoming protected features. Being fun is more important than being correct.

How do you measure fun? People will always rush to that excuse if it's not properly defined. And not everyone finds the same things fun. Especially if you are looking to try and 10x your audience.

TNT duping is a good example. It’s basically impossible to accidentally run in to this glitch, but the community has built tons of mechanisms around using it and generally like it.

Patching it out would be more “correct” but serve to only limit user creativity and inventions.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by tmoertel »

linzhangrun wrote: post #422
mancerayder wrote: post #277

> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. I actually relate to that. It used to be cool and exciting to update to see what new things are coming for free. I was just looking up what Fedora Workstation 45 might bring. Updates on phones, TV's, cars and non-Linux operating systems on PC's/lap…

As a Fedora user, I can say very clearly that Fedora is also very buggy...

Counterpoint: I have been running Fedora Linux on multiple systems for about two decades, including on my daily drivers, and it's been pretty much solid.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

Commercial software has been getting worse for at least a decade now, and the reasons are multifaceted and difficult to solve. They include the switch to subscription pricing, misaligned incentives at companies that make most revenue from "services" or, even worse, ads, the constant need to reinvent solutions to problems that were solved twenty years ago in order to show "progress", companies that build elaborate management systems to attempt to ensure that employees are replaceable, high turnover and a lack of institutional knowledge, and so on.

The ability to generate a lot of code will not solve any of these issues.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by amrit3128 »

hamandcheese wrote: post #296
mancerayder wrote: post #277

> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. I actually relate to that. It used to be cool and exciting to update to see what new things are coming for free. I was just looking up what Fedora Workstation 45 might bring. Updates on phones, TV's, cars and non-Linux operating systems on PC's/lap…

> > We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. You know what software doesn't fill me with dread to update? FOSS. Proprietary software isn't built for users anymore. But (some) FOSS still is.

Exactly, though it's mostly community software and not corporate backed oss. Zig has been taking an interesting direction, emacs is still getting features after 50 years, ladybird is turing out nice, and a ton of other things

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by bravoetch »

mancerayder wrote: post #277

> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. I actually relate to that. It used to be cool and exciting to update to see what new things are coming for free. I was just looking up what Fedora Workstation 45 might bring. Updates on phones, TV's, cars and non-Linux operating systems on PC's/lap…

Old business models: Add value for the end-user, sell it on for a profit.

Current business model: venture capital is the end-user now. Grow the investment by addicting customers to some distraction. Nothing else matters.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by behnamoh »

Gigachad wrote: post #435
bhaak wrote: post #361

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Arch is bleeding edge. Breakage is expected there. It breaks so others can be stable. Thank you for your service.

So many Linux user problems are self inflicted. It’s almost a demonstration why proprietary platforms limit your options so much when users choose to shove a stick in their bike spokes and complain it let them do that.

Nope, we're talking about updates to the OS, not users messing around and shoving a stick in their bike spokes.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by ayaros »

mancerayder wrote: post #277

> We’ve reached a point where an update to macOS — or to any app I rely on, really — is a source of dread rather than excitement. I now expect the new version to be worse. I actually relate to that. It used to be cool and exciting to update to see what new things are coming for free. I was just looking up what Fedora Workstation 45 might bring. Updates on phones, TV's, cars and non-Linux operating systems on PC's/lap…

The removal of window chrome was a gigantic mistake and we're all paying for it every day. Having to tolerate the extra mental overhead caused by the removal of such affordances in UIs every single time I use a computer makes me wonder whether we're all actually dead and in hell... Like that old SMBC comic where a guy in heaven stubs his toe every hour, and realizes it's actually hell. That's what this is.

And don't get me started on OS updates...

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